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[texaspackerbacker]

Much as I like the idea of the Packers getting a Badger star, I would have been leery about drafting T.J. Watt. Arguably, outstanding OLBs from Wisconsin are a product of the system. That plus if you go back a year before his injury, Biegel seemed like he was better than Watt - and he shoulda been expected to recover completely.

The jury is still out on King too. He has shown flashes when he hasn't been injured. I liked the move at the time, and I'm not ready to write it off as bad just yet.

[Pugger]

The last couple of years it appeared that Ted was enamored with picking corners and safeties and ignoring the LB corps, which is surprising seeing TT was a LB in his playing days. King is a nice player but the poor guy can't stay healthy, just like another first round pick a few years back (Nick Perry). If you only draft and develop and ignore FA and your picks don't become impact players your team will suffer big time.

[pbmax]

I wasn't convinced about Watt and I watched him for better part of 3 years. He was outstanding his last year but was a mixed bag before that.

[Bretsky]

I wasn't convinced about Watt and I watched him for better part of 3 years. He was outstanding his last year but was a mixed bag before that.

And what exactly was Kevin King ? Many considered him to be the 2nd best CB on the team in college before Jones was injured.

There is a reason people fall to pick 30; that doesn't excuse ThanksTed

[Bretsky]

Much as I like the idea of the Packers getting a Badger star, I would have been leery about drafting T.J. Watt. Arguably, outstanding OLBs from Wisconsin are a product of the system. That plus if you go back a year before his injury, Biegel seemed like he was better than Watt - and he shoulda been expected to recover completely.


The jury is still out on King too. He has shown flashes when he hasn't been injured. I liked the move at the time, and I'm not ready to write it off as bad just yet.

Beigel, while a good player at UW, always had limited upside. Watt did not.

And who was the best CB for Washington during Kevin King's Senior Year ?

[Bretsky]

That's why everyone else picked him before the Steelers too - because he was such a lead pipe lock. So you got this one right - after advocating for almost every badger there is you had to strike it rich at least once!

But seriously, the need versus BPA in this case could also be a philosophical decision - pass rush versus coverage. Dominance in one area can of course assist the other. AS PB noted, the Packer were wafer thin at defensive back. Mistakes beget mistakes perhaps, but still I don't think King was considered fragile in college, right?

FOR THE RECORD, I did NOT advocate for Jim Sorgi or Scott Tolzien. This shit was too easy and Thanksted screwed the pooch...…..; and by the way...……….TJ EDWARDS ALL THE WAY in 2019 !!!!!!!

[pbmax]

Beigel, while a good player at UW, always had limited upside. Watt did not.

And who was the best CB for Washington during Kevin King's Senior Year ?

You are telling me Ted should have drafted Juniors Sydney Jones or Darren Gardenhire?

[pbmax]

For a part time starter, he'll catch TJ Watt soon enough.

                                                                
                                   Tack         Fumb        Def 
Rk           Player Year G Solo Ast  Sk FF FR Yds TD  Int Yds TD
1    Kyler Fackrell 2018 9   15   3 5.0  0  0   0  0    0   0  0
2         T.J. Watt 2018 9   30  13 8.0  2  0   0  0    0   0  0

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Generated 11/13/2018.

[call_me_ishmael]

FOR THE RECORD, I did NOT advocate for Jim Sorgi or Scott Tolzien. This shit was too easy and Thanksted screwed the pooch...…..; and by the way...……….TJ EDWARDS ALL THE WAY in 2019 !!!!!!!

Really? Edwards seems way too slow for the NFL.

[Pugger]

For a part time starter, he'll catch TJ Watt soon enough.

                                                                
                                   Tack         Fumb        Def 
Rk           Player Year G Solo Ast  Sk FF FR Yds TD  Int Yds TD
1    Kyler Fackrell 2018 9   15   3 5.0  0  0   0  0    0   0  0
2         T.J. Watt 2018 9   30  13 8.0  2  0   0  0    0   0  0

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Generated 11/13/2018.

But wouldn't it be fun to have both Fackrell and TJ? We drafted King but the poor kid can't stay on the field.

[Bretsky]

You are telling me Ted should have drafted Juniors Sydney Jones or Darren Gardenhire?

HELL NO

He should have drafted TJ Watt

But many considered Jones the better CB before he was injured

[Bretsky]

For a part time starter, he'll catch TJ Watt soon enough.

                                                                
                                   Tack         Fumb        Def 
Rk           Player Year G Solo Ast  Sk FF FR Yds TD  Int Yds TD
1    Kyler Fackrell 2018 9   15   3 5.0  0  0   0  0    0   0  0
2         T.J. Watt 2018 9   30  13 8.0  2  0   0  0    0   0  0

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Generated 11/13/2018.

Stats can be deceiving; you saying Fackrell is a future Pro Bowler ?????

Why don't you go compare Aaron Jones stats his first 150 carries versus Alvin Kumara's ?

Those are much more optimistic and then the Teddies around here can give him some credit for a future Pro Bowler.

[texaspackerbacker]

Comparing a first rounder with a third rounder is apples and oranges. Furthermore, the more accurate comparison with those stats would be to include number of snaps played - I'm assuming Watt played a lot more than Fackrell, maybe even twice as much. And I say that as absolutely NOT one of the "Teddies" around here.

Improvement and health over time will ultimately tell the tale.

[mraynrand]

FOR THE RECORD, I did NOT advocate for Jim Sorgi or Scott Tolzien.

[pbmax]

But wouldn't it be fun to have both Fackrell and TJ? We drafted King but the poor kid can't stay on the field.

Of course. I am just resisting Bretsky rooting for other players.