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[bobblehead]

I still can't believe TT passed on him. EDGE is clearly our biggest weakness and TJ would have been a wonderful addition. For some reason Ted fell in love with secondary players. And most of those guys are no longer on the team today!

Ted is going into the Packers' HOF and that is fine. He did build the 2010 team that won it all but if you look at his last couple of drafts it is obvious he was past his prime and we are now suffering the consequences of that incompetency and Gute now has to fix this mess before #12 retires.

Ted's problems came when he started drafting for need instead of BPA. My guess is that he had 3-4 CBs with a similar grade as watt, but we needed CBs so he traded back. I wanted Watt, but if I'm honest at the time I didn't mind the trade back and getting King. I knew what a freak King is athletically and thought he would excel. He does play well when he is on the field.

I would point out that 25 other GMs passed on Watt to drop him that low so there had to be some reason, but for the life of me I couldn't figure it out.

[bobblehead]

It seems a patently Sherman move not to have actual success and for success to follow his departure five years later.

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I figured it out. Sherman is a democrat and his success is always noticed 2 years after a republican takes office!!

[bobblehead]

Stats can be deceiving; you saying Fackrell is a future Pro Bowler ?????

Why don't you go compare Aaron Jones stats his first 150 carries versus Alvin Kumara's ?

Those are much more optimistic and then the Teddies around here can give him some credit for a future Pro Bowler.

Didn't you start this entire thread by citing stats?

[Fritz]

Ted's problems came when he started drafting for need instead of BPA. My guess is that he had 3-4 CBs with a similar grade as watt, but we needed CBs so he traded back. I wanted Watt, but if I'm honest at the time I didn't mind the trade back and getting King. I knew what a freak King is athletically and thought he would excel. He does play well when he is on the field.

I would point out that 25 other GMs passed on Watt to drop him that low so there had to be some reason, but for the life of me I couldn't figure it out.

Or, another version of that: the team had so many needs early on he was able to go BPA AND need at the same time very often. As he filled in the roster, he drifted toward need instead of replicating positions with BPA (of course, the Rodgers drafting when Favre was around undercuts this argument).

I was okay with King instead of Watt, but King does seem to miss a number of games, usually two or three at a time - and sometimes I wonder whether that means he won't play unless he's completely healthy. But his frequent injuries - well, that's hindsight. At the time, King looked to have a higher athletic ceiling.

I think one of TT's issues was not being more forceful about intervening in other areas. It was a strength that became a weakness. He could have intervened and told Ball to get Jared Cook re-signed. How many millions have been spent trying to re-create his production since he left, first with Bennett and now with Graham? I think that was a major, major mis-step. Could he have told MM that Hyde needed to be playing safety, so pass that on to Capers? I don't really know - maybe. Too much of that is meddling, but not enough means things drift. It's a tough balance.

Ted's reputation can and probably will be rescucitated in time, at least of Josh Jones pans out as an upper-level starter (I know, the odds of that are not good).

[bobblehead]

Or, another version of that: the team had so many needs early on he was able to go BPA AND need at the same time very often. As he filled in the roster, he drifted toward need instead of replicating positions with BPA (of course, the Rodgers drafting when Favre was around undercuts this argument).

I was okay with King instead of Watt, but King does seem to miss a number of games, usually two or three at a time - and sometimes I wonder whether that means he won't play unless he's completely healthy. But his frequent injuries - well, that's hindsight. At the time, King looked to have a higher athletic ceiling.

I think one of TT's issues was not being more forceful about intervening in other areas. It was a strength that became a weakness. He could have intervened and told Ball to get Jared Cook re-signed. How many millions have been spent trying to re-create his production since he left, first with Bennett and now with Graham? I think that was a major, major mis-step. Could he have told MM that Hyde needed to be playing safety, so pass that on to Capers? I don't really know - maybe. Too much of that is meddling, but not enough means things drift. It's a tough balance.

Ted's reputation can and probably will be rescucitated in time, at least of Josh Jones pans out as an upper-level starter (I know, the odds of that are not good).

I don't think TTs reputation needs resuscitating. I am pretty sure the bulk of this roster right now is his and the core of the team will be his for a bit yet. AJones, Rodgers, Bak, Linsley, Davante, King, JJones, Martinez, Perry, Danials, KClark are all his guys. Gute looks to have hit on Jaire and MVS, but he owns Jimmy Graham and the non used Mercedes.

MM has been the problem with this team and will be until Gute makes his mark for real.

Edit: and for all I know, given time to scout as he wanted to MVS might have been a TT suggestion.

[mraynrand]

I don't think TTs reputation needs resuscitating. I am pretty sure the bulk of this roster right now is his and the core of the team will be his for a bit yet. AJones, Rodgers, Bak, Linsley, Davante, King, JJones, Martinez, Perry, Danials, KClark are all his guys. Gute looks to have hit on Jaire and MVS, but he owns Jimmy Graham and the non used Mercedes.

MM has been the problem with this team and will be until Gute makes his mark for real.

Edit: and for all I know, given time to scout as he wanted to MVS might have been a TT suggestion.

TT's reputation is fine. His bottom line (record, playoff appearances, championships) was fantastic. Among the very best of his time. But reality says that he missed on defensive backs and linemen. And sometimes you just have bad luck. King was a response to the loss of Shields. If Shields didn't get the concussion problem, maybe Watt is a Packer. If Randall and Rollins worked out, who know who we'd have drafted instead of J'xander and Jackson. Still, those guys might work out and with the picks next year, Packers could have a very successful 4 year run. I know it's tempting to always look backward with regret, but the future is bright, APRH.

[esoxx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKpX-5jQjQ0

[mraynrand]

^^^ I thought about it

[Bretsky]

DOUGTERTY---THE VERDICT IS IN ON THANKSTED'S PASSING OF TJ WATT FOR KEVIN KING...…...AND THE DECISION IS OBVIOUS

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2018/11/24/dougherty-packers-dropped-ball-passing-watt-and-drafting-king/2082910002/

[Bretsky]

That struck odd here is Doughtery hinting ThanksTed was not high on TJ Watt


ThanksTed

[Pugger]

I understand the part about believing he was the BPA. Not everyone agreed with you, but hindsight is 20/20. I wasn't sure because the whole "bloodlines" thing is overdone. There are more examples of siblings that are much less than there are where they're better.

But going to needs of the team, the Packers had a better Matthews and a not-yet-done Perry. The secondary was a much bigger need (and still is when you take the safeties into account). Meanwhile, despite a combined 4 sacks between Perry and Matthews (if I remember the stat correctly), the Packers are tied for league lead in sacks and have the highest sack rate in the league.

We don't have the splash player, but we're torturing quarterbacks who hold the ball for more than 2 seconds. I personally think that's because of Kenny Clark, but I'm not a scout.

When our original pick came up Watt was the BPA. I really think Ted went for need over BPA the past couple years and it has come back to bite us in the fanny big time.

[Bretsky]

When our original pick came up Watt was the BPA. I really think Ted went for need over BPA the past couple years and it has come back to bite us in the fanny big time.

It makes sense that the writer notes ThanksTed was going to take a CB regardless. But that was a year when CB was deep. And pass rushers were not. It was a no brainer and Pittsburg was the Benefiary

[pbmax]

Fackrell will render this entire thread moot.

He's getting another sack this weekend.

[Bretsky]

Fackrell will render this entire thread moot.

He's getting another sack this weekend.

Holy Fackrell is alright

He was a sack of shit for up until this year; Pettine is really good at designing blitz packages

If Pettine can make Fackrell legit, thank of what he could do for TJ Watt

[Cheesehead Craig]

Whine whine whine. We don't have Watt, let it go. Sheesh, you whine this much over girls from the 6th grade too?