The Official Fire the German Shepherd Thread

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The third they traded was for their benefit. It got them back a second round pick.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24543080/chicago-bears-reach-agreement-trade-khalil-mack-oakland-raiders

Draft picks have become even more impossibly over-valued as the rookie contracts are low, but three first round picks is more than it takes to get a starter at QB.

As Belichick himself said, Mack isn't Lawrence Taylor.

Draft picks are, were and have always been coin flips. Why do you think Wolf traded a 1st for some 3rd-string hillbilly QB?

Mack might not be LT, but he's certainly worth 3 1sts. The math says the 3 firsts Gute refused to ship to Vegas, err, Oakland are more likely to turn out to be Harrells, Sherrods and Perrys than Macks. 3 1sts for Mack? That's a fucking steal.

[pbmax]

Draft picks are, were and have always been coin flips. Why do you think Wolf traded a 1st for some 3rd-string hillbilly QB?

Mack might not be LT, but he's certainly worth 3 1sts. The math says the 3 firsts Gute refused to ship to Vegas, err, Oakland are more likely to turn out to be Harrells, Sherrods and Perrys than Macks. 3 1sts for Mack? That's a fucking steal.

But would Wolf have traded 3 picks for Favre?

You might not get a Mack with three mid-round picks, but you will have some quality core players on the roster and as we have seen on the defense, that can make all the difference.

[Fritz]

Pretty sure Dougherty reported it. Ole Pete, dude sure made a nice argument in favor of trading for Mack. Said the Raiders also gave the Bears a 2; 3 ones alone would've/could've gotten Mack to don the Green and Gold.

How do you know this? Gruden is clearly an idiot; maybe he thought the Bears, even with Mack would land him in the middle of the first round, maybe even in the 10-14 range. Two years in a row. So even if he had the Packers' next two next year and their number one in 2020, he might've thought that less useful than the Bears' picks. Think about it. If he has two firsts from the Pack in 2019, and if the Saints and Packers (theoretically now Gruden's picks) had ended up near the top of the NFL - a likely scenario - then Gruden would've had to package those two and HOPE he could find a satisfactory trade partner to move up with. No guarantee there. And in the following year, odds are the Packers would've been drafting in late 20's/early 30's again, so that's not so appealing.

Maybe three firsts wouldn't have gotten it done. So don't assume it was a "failure" on Gute's part.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

But would Wolf have traded 3 picks for Favre?

You might not get a Mack with three mid-round picks, but you will have some quality core players on the roster and as we have seen on the defense, that can make all the difference.

All the difference? How so? As we've seen, Pack D sucks, even with a bunch of core players. The pack is worthless without the alpha. Mack is an alpha. Whom on the current D is an alpha?

[mraynrand]

Didn't the Packers just show how devastating it is to essentially lose multiple first round picks? Even if you get great play from Kahlil Mack, you're still playing with a doubly depleted roster.

What the Packers really need to do over the next two seasons is draft a bunch of starters and hope one comes close to a guy like Mack.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

How do you know this? Gruden is clearly an idiot; maybe he thought the Bears, even with Mack would land him in the middle of the first round, maybe even in the 10-14 range. Two years in a row. So even if he had the Packers' next two next year and their number one in 2020, he might've thought that less useful than the Bears' picks. Think about it. If he has two firsts from the Pack in 2019, and if the Saints and Packers (theoretically now Gruden's picks) had ended up near the top of the NFL - a likely scenario - then Gruden would've had to package those two and HOPE he could find a satisfactory trade partner to move up with. No guarantee there. And in the following year, odds are the Packers would've been drafting in late 20's/early 30's again, so that's not so appealing.

Maybe three firsts wouldn't have gotten it done. So don't assume it was a "failure" on Gute's part.

You forgot to mention that in that scenario, Gruden would also hold at least a top 5 pick - his own. Trust me, Gruden would've traded Mack straight up for 3 firsts. Orangutans are smarter than Mike McCarthy, but not Jon Gruden.

[pbmax]

All the difference? How so? As we've seen, Pack D sucks, even with a bunch of core players. The pack is worthless without the alpha. Mack is an alpha. Whom on the current D is an alpha?

You can play mediocre D with average pass rush. The Packers had the backend of the defense hollowed out by failure to develop and then keep draft picks.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Didn't the Packers just show how devastating it is to essentially lose multiple first round picks? Even if you get great play from Kahlil Mack, you're still playing with a doubly depleted roster.

What the Packers really need to do over the next two seasons is draft a bunch of starters and hope one comes close to a guy like Mack.

What's better, an awesome alpha in Mack, or 3 unknown, unproven picks that more likely than not, according to the math, will turn out to be busts? Besides, had Gute traded away 3 firsts, he would only be giving up 2 of his own - not exactly an entire draft or two. With Mack, Pack would be picking 32, 32 the next two years - Sherrod territory.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

You can play mediocre D with average pass rush. The Packers had the backend of the defense hollowed out by failure to develop and then keep draft picks.

Mediocre D is a good thing? Packer D, mediocre? The D made Beathard look like Mahomes, for fuck's sake! Packer D is below average. Mack could've made Pack D great again.

[pbmax]

Mediocre D is a good thing? Packer D, mediocre? The D made Beathard look like Mahomes, for fuck's sake! Packer D is below average. Mack could've made Pack D great again.

Mack plus no backend is mediocre too.

plus the part you do not comment on because it lessens the fun of your flight of fancy posts is that paying Mack and Rodgers $20 mil per year really puts the clamps on FA signing to bolster the backend.

[esoxx]

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Mack plus no backend is mediocre too.

plus the part you do not comment on because it lessens the fun of your flight of fancy posts is that paying Mack and Rodgers $20 mil per year really puts the clamps on FA signing to bolster the backend.

The cap is irrelevant. Cap can always be cooked.

Decent "backend" players can be found in rounds 2-7.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I realize that's meant to poke fun at the Packers and Pack fans and Aaron Rodgers, but it is actually pretty funny.

[bobblehead]

All the difference? How so? As we've seen, Pack D sucks, even with a bunch of core players. The pack is worthless without the alpha. Mack is an alpha. Whom on the current D is an alpha?

I kinda like this defense. Our O and ST haven't done them any favors and they have held up pretty well. Don't be deceived by final point totals. We probably have more 3 and outs than the last 2 years combined. I haven't really seen a D I like a lot in the entire league this year. Ours will do.

[mraynrand]

I realize that's meant to poke fun at the Packers and Pack fans and Aaron Rodgers, but it is actually pretty funny.

There's a million of those videos. There's probably even one of Hitler reacting to Darrin Charles being shut down by a marginal CB.