Should They Stay Or Should They Go?

[Joemailman]

I think most would agree Packers have some highly paid players whose performance does not match their lofty salaries.

A rundown and thoughts on whether they should be retained:

Aaron Rodgers:

2018 cap hit: 20.9 million
2019 Cap hit: 26.5 million
Cap savings if cut or traded - Cap hit would be about 80 million.

He stays
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Randall Cobb:

2018 cap hit: 12.7 million
2019 free agent

He hasn't been special for a while. Injuries are too common. Although Rodgers may lobby for him to stay, I think it's time to move on.
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Clay Matthews

2018 cap hit: 11.4 million
2019 free agent

Although overpaid, I think he's shown he has something left. I'd favor keeping him, perhaps with an incentive-laden contract.
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Nick Perry

2018 cap hit: 10.8 million
2019 cap hit: 14.7 million
Cap savings if cut or traded: 3.6 million

Tough call. I lean toward cutting him, due to his injury history, and emergence of Fackrell.
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Jimmy Graham

2018 cap hit: 5.9 million
2019 cap hit: 12.6 million
Cap savings if cut or traded: 5.4 million

Toughest call. Graham was overpaid, but he is the team's top TE. I think he should stay unless Packers think his physical decline will be even more pronounced next year.
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Mike Daniels

2018 cap hit: 9.8 million
2019 cap hit: 10.9 million
Cap savings if cut or traded: 8.5 million

Although 2018 wasn't his best year, he's still an integral part of Pettine's defense. 2019 will be a contract year for him. He should stay.
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Bryan Bulaga

2018 cap hit: 7.9 million
2019 cap hit: 8.4 million
Cap savings if cut or traded: 6.8 million

Packers need to draft his replacement, but he's still good enough to justify the salary. 2019 will be a contract year for him.

Stay:

Rodgers
Daniels
Bulaga

Go:

Cobb
Perry

Conditional stay:

Graham
Matthews

[pbmax]

Stay:

Rodgers
Daniels (close call, maybe he is done?)


Go:

Cobb
Matthews (he can still move and close on the ball carrier, but not much else, will want to be paid to get the QB)
Bulaga (SPRIGGS™ is clearly ready)


Conditional stay:

Graham (depends on new offense)
Perry (depends on new deal, but still a force against the run more than Matthews)

[gbgary]

stay...matthews 2-year friendly deal (maybe move inside), daniels, bulaga 2-year friendly deal (if he ends up a back-up, fine), graham...hmmm...stay if the new coach and o coordinator will use him a lot. otherwise they can find someone cheap to ignore.

[Joemailman]

Stay:

Rodgers
Daniels (close call, maybe he is done?)


Go:

Cobb
Matthews (he can still move and close on the ball carrier, but not much else, will want to be paid to get the QB)
Bulaga (SPRIGGS™ is clearly ready)


Conditional stay:

Graham (depends on new offense)
Perry (depends on new deal, but still a force against the run more than Matthews)

If Spriggs is ready, I think Packers should seriously think about moving Bulaga inside to Guard. Packers could use a Guard with Tackle pass blocking skills.

[red]

it is more proof of insanity that we still have bulaga on the roster. YOU CAN NOT COUNT ON HIM TO STAY HEALTHY. he's always fucking hurt. i think he had one season where he stayed injury free (contract year maybe?)

he needed to be replaced 2 or 3 years ago

[Joemailman]

it is more proof of insanity that we still have bulaga on the roster. YOU CAN NOT COUNT ON HIM TO STAY HEALTHY. he's always fucking hurt. i think he had one season where he stayed injury free (contract year maybe?)

he needed to be replaced 2 or 3 years ago

Well, I imagine they thought Spriggs would be that starter by now. Not insanity. Bad picks can cause you to do things you'd rather not do.

[gbgary]

... bulaga on the roster. YOU CAN NOT COUNT ON HIM TO STAY HEALTHY. he's always fucking hurt. i think he had one season where he stayed injury free (contract year maybe?)

true but if he would cheaply stay as a backup for the right side why not?

[Fritz]

Bulaga's going to end up signing with Detroit for 8 mill a year after the Packers cut him. He'll play six games for them.

[RashanGary]

Stay

McCarthy
Rodgers
Daniels
Graham

Go

Perry
Matthews
Cobb

[bobblehead]

So Rodgers is a no brainer.

Daniels earns his keep. He plays and plays well. Also a no brainer in my book.

Bulaga has a year left and is effective when healthy. No reason to cut him. Maybe we hope Spriggs beats him out, but Keep Bulaga around another year. I don't see any real value in cutting him unless you can REALLY use the money in FA.

Perry is my toughest call. He is a powerhouse. He has shown he can get to the QB. He can set an edge. I just don't think you have enough at OLB to part ways with him.

Mathews depends on the market because he is up. I wouldn't mind a Clay for 6.5 a year who can move around, play all 4 LB spots. He of course would have to be on board with that. My feeling is that someone offers him more than that.

Graham. Buh bye. He is old, overpaid and never could block. I had hope that MM could utilize him because MM isn't aware that TEs are supposed to be dual threats. He hasn't. And that leads me to MM...buh bye. sooner is better.

Cobb. Sorry brother, but your best days were yesteryear. Hurt, small, frail.

[Pugger]

it is more proof of insanity that we still have bulaga on the roster. YOU CAN NOT COUNT ON HIM TO STAY HEALTHY. he's always fucking hurt. i think he had one season where he stayed injury free (contract year maybe?)

he needed to be replaced 2 or 3 years ago

We did draft Spriggs to replace him a couple of years ago but Jason isn't ready, yet. He looked pretty good when he replaced Bulaga a couple of weeks ago.

[beveaux1]

Thought I'd revisit this thread. First, we can't get rid of someone if we have no one to replace them unless their play has dropped to JAG level or their cost is prohibitive. For that reason, Rodgers, Bulaga, Daniels, and Graham should stay. Matthews and Perry would be missed, but their play doesn't justify the cost. I just don't think Matthews would re-sign for $5 million and that's where I place his and Perry's worth.

Cobb will have a very hard time coming close to matching what we overpaid for him, but I'm not convinced that the rookies that we have will ever be starting caliber receivers. I'm also not convinced that Cobb is much above JAG level except in GB with Rodgers. I could see him taking a low ball offer to remain. I think we should say goodbye to him, though.

This season has shown me how many holes we have on this team. Safety play is below average, outside pass rush is below average, Guard play has been poor, DL needs some backup talent infusion. WR play outside of Adams has been poor, We need a serviceable backup tackle in the worst way. In fact, other than QB, RB, ILB, and CB, every other position group needs help.

It will be interesting to see what our free agency and draft threads will look like.

[SMBASS]

Go:

McCarthy
Bulaga
CM III
Cobb
Perry

And a cast of 2nd tier players who would go if they weren't cheap right now.

I don't give a damn how much you're being paid if you're never available for the games. Time to cut that bait too.

[Rutnstrut]

Thought I'd revisit this thread. First, we can't get rid of someone if we have no one to replace them unless their play has dropped to JAG level or their cost is prohibitive. For that reason, Rodgers, Bulaga, Daniels, and Graham should stay. Matthews and Perry would be missed, but their play doesn't justify the cost. I just don't think Matthews would re-sign for $5 million and that's where I place his and Perry's worth.

Cobb will have a very hard time coming close to matching what we overpaid for him, but I'm not convinced that the rookies that we have will ever be starting caliber receivers. I'm also not convinced that Cobb is much above JAG level except in GB with Rodgers. I could see him taking a low ball offer to remain. I think we should say goodbye to him, though.

This season has shown me how many holes we have on this team. Safety play is below average, outside pass rush is below average, Guard play has been poor, DL needs some backup talent infusion. WR play outside of Adams has been poor, We need a serviceable backup tackle in the worst way. In fact, other than QB, RB, ILB, and CB, every other position group needs help.

It will be interesting to see what our free agency and draft threads will look like.

Wrong. if you can't count on them to be on the field. Which you can't with Bulaga and Daniels, you get rid of them. Having a cool looking car in the garage does you no good if it breaks down all the time. The bus may not be as flashy, but it's way more reliable.

[beveaux1]

Wrong. if you can't count on them to be on the field. Which you can't with Bulaga and Daniels, you get rid of them. Having a cool looking car in the garage does you no good if it breaks down all the time. The bus may not be as flashy, but it's way more reliable.

Before this year, in his career, Daniels missed 2 games. Bulaga has played in every game this year and next year is his last on his present contract and they have no one to replace him.

They have a lot of holes on this team and I don't think they'll get rid of those two players.