More Banjo: Week Forever vs. Cardinals

[texaspackerbacker]

Lets see, gone already: Montgomery and haha. Gone next year: Clay, Cobb, Maybe Perry. I'd call that a rebuild.

Not even close. All of those moves would be expected to improve things in the short term - replacement by better players. A rebuild is where you tear down and expect a year or several of really crappy teams. Think Oakland - getting rid of Mack, Cooper, etc. That won't happen and damn well shouldn't happen.

[pbmax]

Not even close. All of those moves would be expected to improve things in the short term - replacement by better players. A rebuild is where you tear down and expect a year or several of really crappy teams. Think Oakland - getting rid of Mack, Cooper, etc. That won't happen and damn well shouldn't happen.

How did dealing Ha Ha improve things short term? They played a street FA at free safety for the second week in a row yesterday.

[yetisnowman]

How did dealing Ha Ha improve things short term? They played a street FA at free safety for the second week in a row yesterday.

Have you watched Ha Ha play with the Skins? He's awful. Their secondary has been worse since he's arrived. Even with the makeshift secondary, I'd say our safety play hasn't been any worse without him . At least I don't see garbage effort week in week out.

[yetisnowman]

Also, the Crosby takes here are baffling to me. He's the highest paid kicker in the league, the 9th highest player on the team. And he's missed more kicks than any kicker in the NFL this year. Thanks for your service but see ya!

[pbmax]

Have you watched Ha Ha play with the Skins? He's awful. Their secondary has been worse since he's arrived. Even with the makeshift secondary, I'd say our safety play hasn't been any worse without him . At least I don't see garbage effort week in week out.

Have you seen the Packers secondary play deep? They aren't better. Ha Ha was unwilling to hit or tackle, but he was in position.

The only safety i have liked all around is I Campbell.

[yetisnowman]

Have you seen the Packers secondary play deep? They aren't better. Ha Ha was unwilling to hit or tackle, but he was in position.

The only safety i have liked all around is I Campbell.

I didn't say they were better, I said they weren't any worse whereas you are claiming it set our defense back to trade him.
Interestingly they are better statistically without Haha. And that's with multiple injuries, playing 35 yr old corners and udfas playing substantial minutes at safety.
Scoring defense and pass ypg virtually identical. But they are giving up 1.0 pass Tds per game since the trade and were givng up 1.86 pg before the trade. Less 20 plus yard TDs after haha. It was a net gain statistically. Plus a pick.

[pbmax]

I didn't say they were better, I said they weren't any worse whereas you are claiming it set our defense back to trade him.
Interestingly they are better statistically without Haha. And that's with multiple injuries, playing 35 yr old corners and udfas playing substantial minutes at safety.
Scoring defense and pass ypg virtually identical. But they are giving up 1.0 pass Tds per game since the trade and were givng up 1.86 pg before the trade. Less 20 plus yard TDs after haha. It was a net gain statistically. Plus a pick.

You got a link?

[woodbuck27]

I think the tanking has already commenced when you lose to a two touchdown underdog at home.

The utter mismanagement of this team over the last few years has finally caught up in spades.

The writing was clearly on the wall:

FAIL. KEEP the strength strong:

Offensive Line. Wide Receiver. Tight End.

[woodbuck27]

Also, the Crosby takes here are baffling to me. He's the highest paid kicker in the league, the 9th highest player on the team. And he's missed more kicks than any kicker in the NFL this year. Thanks for your service but see ya!

We have to be very strong in that position. The Mason Crosby watch is on.

[mraynrand]

Have you seen the Packers secondary play deep? They aren't better. Ha Ha was unwilling to hit or tackle, but he was in position.

The only safety i have liked all around is I Campbell.

It's hard at this point to identify whether problems are mostly communication or lack of talent, but why not just go with both? Yesterday, on one big completion, J'xander released his guy to the safety, and the safety was late. Yet, I could not fathom why the receiver had been passed off because it appeared J'xander had man coverage. Where was the mistake there? Anyway, I saw Ha Ha as pretty much garbage back there and don't see that area as being the problem with the defense. They just lack horses overall.

[mraynrand]

The writing was clearly on the wall:

FAIL. KEEP the strength strong:

Offensive Line. Wide Receiver. Tight End.

Offensive Line. Pass Rush. Wide Receiver. Tight End. That's the order I'd suggest. But with a high draft pick, you'd still probably go OLB or D-line first, because that's where you get those guys. But maybe there's a RT who will solidify the line for ten years. I'd certainly be OK with them taking that guy #1.

[ThunderDan]

Offensive Line. Pass Rush. Wide Receiver. Tight End. That's the order I'd suggest. But with a high draft pick, you'd still probably go OLB or D-line first, because that's where you get those guys. But maybe there's a RT who will solidify the line for ten years. I'd certainly be OK with them taking that guy #1.

I want Tausch 2.0 in the 7th.

[yetisnowman]

You got a link?

I don't link I just went at the boxscores did the math real quick. I'm a dork like that. I could write everything and show my work but the numbers are basic. But i did make one mistake. For example GB gave up 13 pass Tds in 7 games w/Dix and 6 pass Tds in 5 games without him. (Not 6 games) so it's 1.86 pg with him and 1.2 without him.

[yetisnowman]

PB, you might be amazed at some the stats. teamrankings.com.
Packers are top half of in the league in every pass defense metric basically, and top 10 in a lot of them.
T-13th in opp pass TD per game.
5th in opp completions per game.
6th in opp pass yds per game

To name a few. Really given all the injuries and inexperience back there, (not too mention an offense that doesn't sustain drives) some of these numbers are down right miraculous. I'll give Pettine credit

[pbmax]

PB, you might be amazed at some the stats. teamrankings.com.
Packers are top half of in the league in every pass defense metric basically, and top 10 in a lot of them.
T-13th in opp pass TD per game.
5th in opp completions per game.
6th in opp pass yds per game

To name a few. Really given all the injuries and inexperience back there, (not too mention an offense that doesn't sustain drives) some of these numbers are down right miraculous. I'll give Pettine credit

I believe you. I've seen several bits that indicate that pass D was better than last year. I just don't see improvement at safety, though Tramon has been as solid as it might be possible to be given he isn't a safety.

I try to not to get too excited about the counting stats per game though. Packers D has been in a lot of games where they are losing and the other teams wants to run, not pass. And I worry the schedule is full of poor teams.

But I agree Pettine's defense is trending up compared to the previous effort.