Ding Dong McCarthy is gone

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Packers have not fired a coach during the season since 1953. Not during the late 60s, the 70s, the 80s, or the early 90s. They didn’t fire Rhodes during the season. They didn’t fire Sherman during the season, not even during his 4-12 season with Favre at QB. I don’t even understand the argument that they want to start their coach search early. They can’t hire anyone during the season, and they can’t even interview until the playoffs start.

Nobody could convince me that they haven’t already started a list of people they want to interview or that they couldn’t do it while letting MM run out the string. This is kind of sad...and crappy.

Murphy and the executive board are not of the era that worked with OR remembers that era. Business as usual.

Probably even looking forward to playing the kids.

[call_me_ishmael]

Coaches who led teams to Super-Bowl titles, only to be fired by them later: Hank Steam, Don McCafferty, Tom Landry, Mike Ditka, George Seifert, Mike Shanahan, Brian Billick, Jon Gruden, Mike Mccarthy. McCafferty and McCarthy are only in-season Super-Bowl winning HCs to he fired.

Because it's classless.

[pbmax]

Peanut Butter,

My dude, normally you are spot on on most things and I find you very easy to agree with. But this. No no no. This I cannot get behind.

Let's focus on the quoted part for now.

I said I believed that coaches around the League were aghast that McCarthy got fired mid-season. I did not say it was a proud moment for the franchise.

What I did say was that if coaches don't want to coach the Packers because of said treatment, they should be avoided like they carry plague. Because coaches are not actually interested in proper HR administration, they are interested in living on forever in their well paid jobs. Which means they defend each other at almost all costs. You are more likely to get the truth from a turnip that you will getting one coach to comment honestly about the other.

So if Tony Dungy is upset, he can stay away from the interview process.

[call_me_ishmael]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1069396450201743361

Firing Mike McCarthy, as Packers did, is almost unprecedented. Former Colts HC Don McCafferty was only HC prior to McCarthy with a SB win to his credit to not finish a season he started. Colts fired McCafferty five games into 1972 season after winning Super Bowl with him in 1970.

Because it's classless.

There _has_ to be more to this story.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It was a chicken shit thing they did to McCarthy. Ted Thompson NEVER would have done that.

Unless McCarthy was being insubordinate or something, ya, it was a crazy calloused way to treat ANY employee who had done their level best for many years.

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John Mara paid a kicker who was beating his wife. Well after they knew about it, they re-signed him to a contract. John Mara hung a coach out to dry when trying to bench Eli Manning and end his career streak on a decidedly non-classy note. I don't think Mara is the kind of guy from whom you take lessons in how to conduct yourself publicly.

Ted Thompson hired and fired players and coaches and refused to meet with the media. Ted did not care about the public spectacle of it. He let his coach take the heat every time.

Howie Roseman wasn't in charge of the Reid firing. That was Lurie. Lurie might have some scruples.

[pbmax]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...96450201743361

Because it's classless.

There _has_ to be more to this story.

I suspect they wanted Rodgers under contract. They knew they had to do that first to get top flight HC candidates. You couldn't go QB shopping and coach shopping in the same year.

So one year extension for M3 gets Rodgers long term. Fire McCarthy the next year and you have the team in the best possible spot to attract candidates.

On a different topic, if Rodgers were tanking, he would have sat out those four weeks to heal his knee after the Bears opener. His rep would have taken less abuse and M3 might have been gone sooner.

[call_me_ishmael]

Good read on the topic.

http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/46392/next-packers-coach-must-make-it-work-with-aaron-rodgers

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Scott Kacsmar @FO_ScottKacsmar
No one seems to get hot late and carry it over to the playoffs anymore.

2012 Ravens (won SB)
2011 Giants (won SB)
2010 Packers (won SB)
2009 Jets (lost AFC-CG)
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Joey Hickmann @JoeyHickmann
2016 Packers are the last example I can think of and they lost in the NFCCG

Scott Kacsmar @FO_ScottKacsmar
Yeah that was one, and fittingly, they were the only recent team to take down a 1 seed before the Super Bowl.

2013 - DEN & SEA
2014 - NE & SEA
2015 - DEN & CAR
2016 - NE & ATL
2017 - NE & PHI

Those were all 1 seeds except 2016 ATL (#2).

[MadScientist]

If Rodgers was playing poorly because of MM (either not tanking, or not buying into his strategy/tactics) then there should be an improvement in his play over the final 4 games.

It's clear they made the decision to fire MM and It was just a matter of now vs in 4 weeks. Why now? I can think of a few possibilities:
1) They wanted to send a message to the team. The trades earlier this year should have been enough, but possibly they felt more was necessary.
2) They plan to start searching for a head coach right away. Given tampering rules and lack of availability of NFL candidates, this could mean they want to talk to college coaches.
3) Murphy wanted to show he has all the power and temperament of a crazy, meddling owner. May this not be the case.

[gbgary]

MM was toast the minute they extended Rodgers. this should have been a prove it year for both of them but the scales were tipped with Rodgers signature. now Rodgers gets a pass for a bad year that they're both responsible for. this better be some upcoming off-season, and next couple of years, for it to be worth it. i'll go on record and say a 10-6 season in the next 3 will be pretty much a miracle because Rodgers is in decline and that contract is going to weigh heavy starting in 2020.

[mmmdk]

Finally, Stubby is fired. Many players, including Aaron Rodgers, had quit on McCarthy and it would have been ugly the rest of the season. Now it still may be ugly the rest of the way but management has been sending messages all season long and this message is clear; play with a winning attitude or you're out too.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Unless McCarthy was being insubordinate or something, ya, it was a crazy calloused way to treat ANY employee who had done their level best for many years.

Yeah, maybe, but us old guys r of an era where loyalty and shit mattered. Now, times r different, and everything is about NOW. I am actually excited again about the future, and only hope I live long enough to see another super bowl.

[Rastak]

yeah, fucking up your playoff run by stealing your OC

After the game he called yesterday I'm beginning to hope you get him....maybe they could work out a trade.....

[Harlan Huckleby]

2) They plan to start searching for a head coach right away. Given tampering rules and lack of availability of NFL candidates, this could mean they want to talk to college coaches.

Interesting theory. Could be.

I hear Pat Fitzgerald at Northwestern mentioned. He seems like a U-rah-rah college coach who would have to retool for pros. But he does win without benefit of a football factory, so he's smart.