Official nice things to say about Mike McCarthy thread

[gbgary]

Sure we have. Gute said stop using Montgomery over Jones - by trading Montgomery.

[pbmax]

Sure we have. Gute said stop using Montgomery over Jones - by trading Montgomery.

That's a good point.

[pbmax]

Dougherty with a nice job reading between the lines on McCarthy:

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2019/04/03/dougherty-news-and-views-mike-mccarthy-opening-up-dismissal/3354220002/

There is a repeated story of Bach talking about a player who was late to a flight and was not fined. McCarthy seems to have addressed this directly with Demovsky by saying anyone could look at the internal fine process and see what was done. Doughety connects the dots and thinks the player in question was perhaps lying to his teammates.

The lack of accountability stuff started 2 years ago with Randall and Martinez pointing fingers at Josh Jones. I wonder what else there was? Dougherty thinks the locker room was lost after the Seattle playoff debacle. I'd agree that was probably a huge blow in his relationship with Rodgers.

[QBME]

The lack of accountability stuff started 2 years ago with Randall and Martinez pointing fingers at Josh Jones. I wonder what else there was? Dougherty thinks the locker room was lost after the Seattle playoff debacle. I'd agree that was probably a huge blow in his relationship with Rodgers.

Wait...what?? I follow fairly closely, never seen anything relating to this stuff. Source? And I don't give a whiff what Dougherty "thinks".

[pbmax]

Wait...what?? I follow fairly closely, never seen anything relating to this stuff. Source? And I don't give a whiff what Dougherty "thinks".

Both Randall (early in the offseason before he was traded) and Martinez said they thought not all players on D were being held accountable. From context it seemed to suggest they are referring to Jones. This was just after the season ended, possibly just before Capers got the boot.

Soon after, Martinez, who had backed up Randall's initial claim, backtracked. It was never confirmed, but it fit like a glove to Jones' play down the stretch.

Randall being packed up and Jones being a young player who barely saw the field under a new DC, the story was effectively buried on the Jones front. But several players, including Daniels and Matthews picked up the theme as a way to praise incoming Pettine, even before they held their first practice with him. So it had legs and players willing to claim it.

After McCarthy got off to a rough start in 2018, the accountability hints started to spread. Then Murphy and Gute mentioned it when they discussed the vet players councils they conducted after McCarthy's exit.

My honest appraisal/take is that there were typical issues with youth on D, not a lost cause until the team started to fall apart last year.

The only thing Dougherty is reading here on accountability is that it started in the locker room after the playoff loss to Seattle.

[wist43]

Who gives a flying fuck!!!

The guy is gone... you assholes are worse than a bunch of gray haired women sitting in a church gossiping.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't understand how MM was mistreated. Most people who get fired are told on a Friday afternoon that they have a half hour to put their things in a box, and they are escorted out of the building by a company security guard. It really works this way in both corporations and government jobs.

The exact timing of McCarthy's dismissal was a little surprising. But it was coming sooner or later.

Nobody gets out of this world without eating a shit sandwich or two.

[Iron Mike]

Honestly that description sounds like it was handled about the best that a situation like this could have been. The firing should have been handled without emotion, and once the decision was made to fire MM, the firing should happen as soon as reasonably possible. Does he really think the firing should have sounded like Mr. Spacely firing George Jetson, or all teary-eyed? Or maybe he thinks it would have been better if he stay on for the last 4 games, while Gute and Murphy started to search for his replacement? If the team looked like it quit on him before, it would have been a total shit-show those last 4 games. About the only thing that would have done was give the Packers the 3rd pick in the draft after they lost them all.

Agreed. I must admit I'm surprised that McCarthy failed to mention the fact that he works in a performance-based business and yet failed to cut the mustard for two years straight. Sounds like he thinks he should have been given a few more years to get his pad level down.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I don't understand how MM was mistreated. Most people who get fired are told on a Friday afternoon that they have a half hour to put their things in a box, and they are escorted out of the building by a company security guard. It really works this way in both corporations and government jobs.

The exact timing of McCarthy's dismissal was a little surprising. But it was coming sooner or later.

Nobody gets out of this world without eating a shit sandwich or two.

Insecurity is an abominable offspring of that abomination, capitalism. I’m fact, insecurity is even more fucked up than her abominable siblings, exploitation and alienation.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Insecurity is an abominable offspring of that abomination, capitalism. I’m fact, insecurity is even more fucked up than her abominable siblings, exploitation and alienation.

Most capitalist systems are tempered by generous unemployment insurance.

Getting fired is devastating emotionally, I don't make light of it.

I'm OK with MM's opinion that the Packers would be wise to treat their leavings respectfully. But divorces are always a bit awkward & bitter. MM ain't above it.

The eskimos have the right idea. When people get old & burdensome, they leave them outside and allow nature to take its course. Green Bay is ideal at end of season for such a peaceful, honorable, natural resolution.

[mraynrand]

The eskimos have the right idea. When people get old & burdensome, they leave them outside and allow nature to take its course. Green Bay is ideal at end of season for such a peaceful, honorable, natural resolution.

Great advice. Apparently this is what happened to Joe Philbin's son.

[pbmax]

Agreed. I must admit I'm surprised that McCarthy failed to mention the fact that he works in a performance-based business and yet failed to cut the mustard for two years straight. Sounds like he thinks he should have been given a few more years to get his pad level down.

I think he basically admits in the story that if he doesn't get to the playoffs, he knows a change is coming. He says after the firing, he realized both sides might have needed a change which is the part that is 4 years too late.

I think he would also tell you that its part of the game, no matter who is coach, that a defender might try to plant your QB into the turf on their shoulder. Who does the front office think the backup was?

Everyone who gets canned wants a story to tell that is more deflection than admission. Here is is taking issue with Murphy's curtness and lack of acknowledgment of their successful shared history. Its not a big deal. Its better than I thought he would take it. I would have had my minions ranting and raving about FA and Ted.

[pbmax]

Insecurity is an abominable offspring of that abomination, capitalism. I’m fact, insecurity is even more fucked up than her abominable siblings, exploitation and alienation.

M3 doesn't have much in the way of economic insecurity unless he and the sports science guys on staff were heavily invested in Theranos.

[mraynrand]

Everyone who gets canned wants a story to tell that is more deflection than admission.

As someone who was recently shit-canned, I can tell you the urge to deflect is very strong. But it is totally unhelpful. Finding someone you trust who will tell you the stark, raw truth about yourself, your strengths and failings, is key. Somehow I suspect Stubby doesn't have that person in his life.

[Freak Out]

Sorry to hear Rand.