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[mraynrand]

In defense of McCarthy, Zona reportedly wanted him badly, but he turned them down, as if he was a hot chick turning down a burger-flipping loser.

Just remember, the theme is that Stubby is worthless without Rodgers. Can't win without him. And he had nothing to do with his development either. All luck. Plus he is fat.

[Teamcheez1]

In all honesty, did MM really want a head coaching job this year?
Browns, Jets, Cardinals. I'm not surprised he didn't jump right in to these organizations.

He will coach again if he wants to. I think a year off may work very well for him finding the right job.

[pbmax]

Just remember, the theme is that Stubby is worthless without Rodgers. Can't win without him. And he had nothing to do with his development either. All luck. Plus he is fat.

In all honesty, did MM really want a head coaching job this year?
Browns, Jets, Cardinals. I'm not surprised he didn't jump right in to these organizations.

He will coach again if he wants to. I think a year off may work very well for him finding the right job.

A lot of worse coaches were hired this offseason. I think he will regroup after a year. Possible he might have to be an OC for a year or two. If he choose to do it, might be the best thing for his offense; to work on it and nothing else for a year or two.

I think he would have taken the Browns jobs given the people there and Mayfield. Messing around with his staff though was a non-starter. I don't understand what was attractive about the Jets. Darnold wasn't Mayfield this year, though he seemed mostly functional. But that team has performed terribly with its current front office.

I liked Rosen in the draft and thought the Cardinals might interest him, but there was never even rumored interest on his part.

The other head scratcher are the Bucs. Winston is a head case but a legit talent. You could do something with those guys and there is a reason Arians was hot for that job. Surprised M3 didn't pipe up about that one either.

So maybe the family thing and travel was in play after all, or some other considerations we just don't know about.

[pbmax]

I missed that not only is Kubiak's son a QB coach, Kubiak himself is now the OC. This kind of thing just shows how dumb the NFL hiring processes are for some teams.

Aaron Schatz @FO_ASchatz
Gary Kubiak returning as Denver offensive coordinator is another reminder that retirement means nothing for NFL coaches, and also, it's a bit silly. I'm glad Fangio is getting a shot but the guy won a Super Bowl as the HC, why not just make him the HC if he wants to coach again?

[mraynrand]

A lot of worse coaches were hired this offseason. I think he will regroup after a year. Possible he might have to be an OC for a year or two. If he choose to do it, might be the best thing for his offense; to work on it and nothing else for a year or two.

This makes sense, but it might require a humility injection or something. This is speculation based on coaching personnel, but it sure appears that Stubby adopted the Don Rumsfeld paradigm for failing organizations (As hire Bs, Bs hire Cs, Cs hire Ds, Ds hire Fs until the organization collapses). Either due to hubris or fear, Stubby seemingly got rid of challengers to his assumptions and brought in less talented and/or less threatening people to surround himself with on the offensive side. As you age, being able to re-invent yourself requires the ability to honestly self-evaluate. Sometimes the only way to do that is to bring in a highly talented underling who may surpass you. Bringing back Philbin reminded me of Holmgren sticking with Cromwell and Haskill in Seattle until he just couldn't anymore. There is a point where you just get stale. Not to mention a seemingly "I'm the coach" attitude towards a pretty smart, talented, experienced QB. Oh well, this is now officially bridgewater stuff.

[Bossman641]

I hope MM takes the year off, spends time with his family, and works on his health. 12 years is a long time to grind as a head coach. He definitely got stale at the end and needs to take some time to regroup and refresh.

[George Cumby]

I hope MM takes the year off, spends time with his family, and works on his health. 12 years is a long time to grind as a head coach. He definitely got stale at the end and needs to take some time to regroup and refresh.

This.

I'm glad he's gone but bear him no animus for his failures, he had some tremendous success as well.

[Smidgeon]

The tea leaves are indicating Monken is out as HC candidate in Cincinnati. So he's available for OC interviews. Not mentioned are the Packers. Would that even be a fit or would Monken and LaFleur spend too much time at odds with each other?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/10/todd-monken-moves-on-to-offensive-coordinator-interviews/

[Fritz]

Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN
My understanding is that Matt Rhule told the #Jets that he would not agree to a staff that was put together by GM Mike Maccagnan and VP of Player Personnel Brian Heimerdinger.

So, having a GM and VP of Player Personnel put together your coaching staff for you would be . . . against the Rhule.

I like the Broncos' hire of Fangio, but am puzzled as to why they went back to Gary Kubiak for OC. That sounds like Elway is trying to work up 2008 again or something. Elway's in the process of gutting that franchise.

After seeing Kase get a gig, and Freddie "Kreuger in the" Kitchens get a gig, and "Push him off the" Kliff Kingsbury get a gig, I am feeling better about ol' Matt the Flower.

As for Philbin looking around for an offensive line job now, at this rate, he'll be interviewing for an assistant coaching gig in the DePere PeeWee League next year.

[pbmax]

This makes sense, but it might require a humility injection or something. This is speculation based on coaching personnel, but it sure appears that Stubby adopted the Don Rumsfeld paradigm for failing organizations (As hire Bs, Bs hire Cs, Cs hire Ds, Ds hire Fs until the organization collapses). Either due to hubris or fear, Stubby seemingly got rid of challengers to his assumptions and brought in less talented and/or less threatening people to surround himself with on the offensive side. As you age, being able to re-invent yourself requires the ability to honestly self-evaluate. Sometimes the only way to do that is to bring in a highly talented underling who may surpass you. Bringing back Philbin reminded me of Holmgren sticking with Cromwell and Haskill in Seattle until he just couldn't anymore. There is a point where you just get stale. Not to mention a seemingly "I'm the coach" attitude towards a pretty smart, talented, experienced QB. Oh well, this is now officially bridgewater stuff.

I agree and perhaps the agent of change might be not being immediately at the top of the lost for 2 or 3 organizations. The "highly successful coach" should have done better by all rights, and perhaps he is being blamed too much for the last two years.

I hope he just doesn't write it off as the McVay Year.

[pbmax]

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde
Ex-#Packers coach Mike Sherman, on his interview advice for Taylor: "Don’t worry about the background check, because when you married my daughter that was already taken care of. I knew everything you’d ever done previous to that marriage and I’ve known everything since then."

Ever see M2 and Robert De Niro in the same place at the same time?

[pbmax]

Out of the box OC: Jim Caldwell.

Dude has done well with multiple systems. He is actually the guy that the League thinks Adam Gase is.

[Bretsky]

Out of the box OC: Jim Caldwell.

Dude has done well with multiple systems. He is actually the guy that the League thinks Adam Gase is.

that would be a really good hire

[mraynrand]

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde
Ex-#Packers coach Mike Sherman, on his interview advice for Taylor: "Don’t worry about the background check, because when you married my daughter that was already taken care of. I knew everything you’d ever done previous to that marriage and I’ve known everything since then."

Ever see M2 and Robert De Niro in the same place at the same time?

I bet Sherman has a whole file folder just filled with organizational charts outlining the ongoing investigations of his son-in-law. Shermy gets all sorts of things wrong, but it's never for a lack of preparation. He probably has an entire file cabinet stuffed full of perfectly useless wonderfully diagrammed football procedures. I bet he even has a folder titled "Confronting an opposing player who has injured your player"

[Smidgeon]

Out of the box OC: Jim Caldwell.

Dude has done well with multiple systems. He is actually the guy that the League thinks Adam Gase is.

Yeah, but are the Packers pursuing him? I think he'd be a plus.