Packers hiring LaFleur.

[mraynrand]

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Murphy says the #Packers leadership council, which consists of veteran players, shared their belief that a sense of complacency had set in with coaches/players in Green Bay.

I find this difficult to believe as I was satisfied that everything was working smoothly.

[call_me_ishmael]

Second thing that concerns me, they are totally in on this offense being the solution. That is not how it works best.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
ICYMI: Discussion in Green Bay since Matt LaFleur arrived has been about hiring either SF run game coordinator Mike McDaniel or SF pass game coordinator Mike LaFleur (Matt’s brother) as #Packers offensive coordinator. Unclear whether Kyle Shanahan would allow either one to leave.

Gotta imagine Shanny would let the dude's brother leave to coach with his bro.

[Smidgeon]

Second thing that concerns me, they are totally in on this offense being the solution. That is not how it works best.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
ICYMI: Discussion in Green Bay since Matt LaFleur arrived has been about hiring either SF run game coordinator Mike McDaniel or SF pass game coordinator Mike LaFleur (Matt’s brother) as #Packers offensive coordinator. Unclear whether Kyle Shanahan would allow either one to leave.

Isn't that normal though? Coaches hiring people with similar mindsets they've worked with before?

[George Cumby]

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Murphy says the #Packers leadership council, which consists of veteran players, shared their belief that a sense of complacency had set in with coaches/players in Green Bay.

Gee, I never would have guessed that watching the Season Opener against the Bears.

[Smidgeon]

There's a lot of potential with the M4 hire. I sincerely hope he gets the right staff though. Being a head coach is more than just being good on offense. The Falcons, in parallel to Rams the year before, just gave clock management and challenge duties to someone other than the head coach during games. If M4 is calling plays, it would be wise to beef up game day management.

These are the other things I think need to be done to get the right staff in place:
1. Extending an offer to M3.b (Pettine) if you don't think you can get anyone better (and you might not due to dearth of better options both absolutely and relatively).
2. Getting an offensive coordinator who can provide stability and keep the pendulum centered would be another good step (the traditional HC of yesteryear).
3. If he wants another up and comer in his mold, the QB coach would probably be a good position for that since he'll be working with the QBs a lot a la early M3.

I'm not worried about anything yet (as there's only speculation based on projection at this point). There's plenty of good opportunity. But it still has to be done right and has to be sustainable.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I'm only making the point (and this is now not addressing any point you were making) that Martin had maybe 25 targets, and I have no way of knowing, without watching the entire season over again, just how many came from five wide. So it was a thing, just not a big deal. What I find more interesting, looking back, was how Stubby could go from 5 wide to the inverted wishbone on the same set of downs. Not that these formations or Stubby had anything to do with Packer success - we all know that any success was due to Rodgers and luck.

The Packers were 6-10 in 2008, so success was incarcerated that season. It was a colossal failure of a season, a confirmation that Todd fucked up colossally in trading the Gunslinger. You don't fall from 13-3 to 6-10 with virtually the same roster unless you fuck up colossally.

The "Big 5" was so 2007. All Rodgers did that season was ALMOST lead a comeback in Dallas, in a game that would foreshadow Rodger's futility in the clutch. History says that Rodgers started something like 0-10 in the clutch til he hit a WIDE OPEN Greg Jennings in the clutch in a "Cardinals-playoff-game too-late" game against Chicago.

Funny, Favre was actually excellent in the clutch in his youth. 09-20-92, the Atlanta game in MKE, the Detroit playoff game are a few examples. Nowadays, all the haters remember is Favre's last pass as a Packer. Rodgers sucked in the clutch in his youth. He's pretty good nowadays.

[Fritz]

Tank, Ruvell has been a theme on this board longer than memes have existed. We know this.

What people may have forgotten is that Ruvell was the original 5th member of the BIG FIVE wide receiver package. Driver, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Martin. Later, Finley would take his spot.

For the youngsters on this site (anyone under the age of 30, if there are any on this site that young), Ruvell Martin = Geronimo Allison: Lots of talk about "savvy," "big hands," "good catch radius," "knows his assignments cold," "good red zone target," "Rodgers loves him," but at the end of the season he's got about twenty catches.

As for The Flower's hiring of offensive coaches, to me the more frightening move (more frightening than hiring someone who thinks just like LeFleur does) would be making Joe Philbin as your OC. Now that would frighten me.

[Pugger]

Good news, gentlemen. Rob Demovsky reports that Ron Zook is out the door!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fritz]

Hip hip, hooray!

Okay, Red, you went to school with LeFleur, right? So get on the phone and tell him to interview KYPack for that special teams opening.

[gbgary]

Packers Tweeted official announcement.

Lotta manscaping on that forehead M4.

and eyebrows. he must own stock in the Favre trimmer.

[Pugger]

Rob Demovsky reports our WR coach is leaving too!!

[mraynrand]

and eyebrows. he must own stock in the Favre trimmer.

lol

[Pugger]

Somebody posted this on ProFootball Talk and it made me giggle.

Ron Zook was cleaning out his office and carrying personal items to his car. He was penalized for parking illegally, and then fumbled his stuff into the street. When an intern came to help him, he accidentally pushed them from behind and then as they were falling, he grabbed their arm and held for an inordinate amount of time.

[Joemailman]

We, and everyone else, may have been a little over our skis with reporting Pettine was back already.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
LaFleur said he has not had an opportunity to talk to Pettine yet about a job.

So, do we just assume Pettine is staying? Will there be/has there been an announcement?

[esoxx]

Packers considering former Jags OC Nathaniel "Buddy" Hackett to be their OC.

http://nfltraderumors.co/packers-considering-nathaniel-hackett-for-offensive-coordinator-job/