Packers hiring LaFleur.

[VegasPackFan]

I'm OK with this as a huge upside decision. Might as well get a guy that is part of the new offensive movement in the NFL versus a retread or a guy that would probably still have his heart and aspirations in NE.

He was working with Griffin in Wash the year he had that great season. He worked with Matt Ryan when he won NFL MVP. These are two totally different QB's and he was able to have success with both. HE was also a big part of the turnaround of Goff and that offense in LA as well. I think the TEN offense this year was bad due to personnel and injuries much more than scheme.

[Fritz]

I like the upside of this hire. It doesn't look like it will cause any insecurity among the front offices, which is nice. I imagine the early tests will be:

-How he handles the "Holy crap, I'm a head coach!" planning moments.
-How well he knows and advocates his needs to the GM staff.
-If he can bring on and use assistants who are smarter than him in their specialties.
-What rapport he builds with Rodgers and if he can pull rank as necessary if AR reverts back to all-doodle-bomb-all-the-time.

The Flower has the same contract as a first-round draft pick (4 years guaranteed, with a team option fifth). Fortunately, he doesn't bring any dead money with him, so hopefully he's cheap and can be cut if he sucks.

This is one of the more intelligent posts on the new coaching hire.

Any upset I have with this hire has more to do with how it happened and what the pre-conditions for his hire might have been. The rumors are floating around that the Packers (apparently soon to be known as the "Murphies") were keen for the new coach, whoever it was, to keep Pettine.

Normally, I would dismiss that as mere rumor, but the fact that Murphy has already hamstrung his GM by, first, appearing to acquiesce to McCarthy's supposed demand that it not be Russ Ball (thus capitulating to his coach) and then by not letting his GM be in charge of hiring his own coach, suggests to me that Murphy is okay with hiring people to whom he does not give full powers of the position.

That's what bothers me in all this - not the choice of coaches, but the possibility that the coach doesn't perhaps have full powers to hire and fire his own coaching staff.

This is all great if you're Joseph Stalin and you're playing subordinates off each other in order to consolidate and keep your own power, but if you're trying to create a cohesive organizational structure all pulling in the same direction, I'm not so sure this is gonna work.

On a separate note, having read that the Packers did LaFleur's interview last, and did not bother with a second interview, I wonder if the Packers fired MM during the season in part simply to get a jump on the job search, and having gotten that jump, they identified The Flower as one of maybe two preferred candidates and so the most part of the job search was window dressing. Smart, if that is so, to bring Caldwell in right away to satisfy the Rooney Rule perception.

This is my guess: they fired MM to get a leg up, did their research, tabbed LaFleur, also boned up on McDaniel, then "saved" the LaFleur interview for last to be able to compare his interview (he is relatively knew at this interviewing, after all) to the previous ones - including McDaniel. When TheFlower aced the interview, the Packers got their man right away, no need for a round two.

Now, if they hired him because (as a new HC) he would be more amenable to keeping Pettine than McDaniel was, then shame on Murphy. This whole thing will, at some point, blow up, and there will be fingers pointing everywhwere.

In the meantime, I'm rooting for this guy - he's a lot better-sounding
to me than some re-tread, or for some Belichek disciple (Bill's coaching tree looks like it's been doused with boric acid).

[Carolina_Packer]

Mark Murphy and Brian Gutekunst are the guys that need to help their new HC; draft better and sign better free agents.

100% Right

[Smidgeon]

This is one of the more intelligent posts on the new coaching hire.

Any upset I have with this hire has more to do with how it happened and what the pre-conditions for his hire might have been. The rumors are floating around that the Packers (apparently soon to be known as the "Murphies") were keen for the new coach, whoever it was, to keep Pettine.

Normally, I would dismiss that as mere rumor, but the fact that Murphy has already hamstrung his GM by, first, appearing to acquiesce to McCarthy's supposed demand that it not be Russ Ball (thus capitulating to his coach) and then by not letting his GM be in charge of hiring his own coach, suggests to me that Murphy is okay with hiring people to whom he does not give full powers of the position.

That's what bothers me in all this - not the choice of coaches, but the possibility that the coach doesn't perhaps have full powers to hire and fire his own coaching staff.

This is all great if you're Joseph Stalin and you're playing subordinates off each other in order to consolidate and keep your own power, but if you're trying to create a cohesive organizational structure all pulling in the same direction, I'm not so sure this is gonna work.

On a separate note, having read that the Packers did LaFleur's interview last, and did not bother with a second interview, I wonder if the Packers fired MM during the season in part simply to get a jump on the job search, and having gotten that jump, they identified The Flower as one of maybe two preferred candidates and so the most part of the job search was window dressing. Smart, if that is so, to bring Caldwell in right away to satisfy the Rooney Rule perception.

This is my guess: they fired MM to get a leg up, did their research, tabbed LaFleur, also boned up on McDaniel, then "saved" the LaFleur interview for last to be able to compare his interview (he is relatively new at this interviewing, after all) to the previous ones - including McDaniel. When TheFlower aced the interview, the Packers got their man right away, no need for a round two.

Now, if they hired him because (as a new HC) he would be more amenable to keeping Pettine than McDaniel was, then shame on Murphy. This whole thing will, at some point, blow up, and there will be fingers pointing everywhwere.

In the meantime, I'm rooting for this guy - he's a lot better-sounding
to me than some re-tread, or for some Belichek disciple (Bill's coaching tree looks like it's been doused with boric acid).

I agree with this part. I think it's exactly what happened and telling that it was one of their final interviews, especially including McDaniels' timing.

[Patler]

Interesting tidbit: LaFleur was QB coach at Notre Dame when DeShone Kizer was a red shirt freshman.

(Apologies if someone already pointed this out.)

[Smidgeon]

When are the Packers officially announcing it?

[Fritz]

Rodgers will not be the Packers starting QB going into the 2022 season, so I think the coach can out last him.

What makes you think this? Hasn't Rodgers professed to want to play into his early 40's? How long is his contract extension for?

Do you think he'll be too beat up to continue?

[mraynrand]

so at 39, what kind of coaches can he bring it to fill in the holes?

I heard he was bringing in Emile Flournoy as OC and Guy Gadbois as offensive line coach.

[gbgary]

Rodgers will not be the Packers starting QB going into the 2022 season, so I think the coach can out last him.

yup. i don't think so either.

[George Cumby]

Rodgers will not be the Packers starting QB going into the 2022 season, so I think the coach can out last him.

He may not make it through the 2019 season at this rate.

[call_me_ishmael]

Rodgers will not be the Packers starting QB going into the 2022 season, so I think the coach can out last him.

Boy, that's a bold proclamation. But, I don't think it's necessarily wrong. Are you implying getting Favre'd aka traded, or what?

[pbmax]

I thought Montgomery did a good job with the D-Line considering the injuries. The rest I don't care about.

Whitt is legit I think.

[pbmax]

I heard he was bringing in Emile Flournoy as OC and Guy Gadbois as offensive line coach.

Imagine my surprise when these people were not French Canadien hockey players.

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein
One of the #Packers offensive coaches with an offer to stay is TEs coach Brian Angelichio, source said. He served with Kyle Shanahan in Cleveland and knows Matt LaFleur and his offense. #Packers think highly of him.

[Smidgeon]

Tom Silverstein
One of the #Packers offensive coaches with an offer to stay is TEs coach Brian Angelichio, source said. He served with Kyle Shanahan in Cleveland and knows Matt LaFleur and his offense. #Packers think highly of him.

I, for one, in my infinite wisdom would be inescapably confused if Philbin is retained as the OC. Confused because I don't know if it would be a good move or not.