Official Fire Matt LaFleur Thread

[pbmax]

solid seven points

If they had a better red zone plan, this terrible game would have been in the bag. But the team is still playing with one hand or the other tied behind its back.

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex, you should have recognized the Rodgers offense in most of the second half.

It was more like Rodgers offense the scripted 15 plays - again. Most of the time after that, they would run it into the line on first down - wasting a down, sometimes the same on second down, then pass when the D knew it was coming on third down. The few times LaFleur departed from his "new offense" shit, things looked good - except on the goal line, of course - the only time when they should have run on first and second down, and they didn't.

I say again, LaFleur's play calling is generally bonehead stupid.

[mraynrand]

The Packers never ran on both first and second down, except when Rodgers scrambled for 4 on second down after a Jones first down run.

[texaspackerbacker]

The Packers never ran on both first and second down, except when Rodgers scrambled for 4 on second down after a Jones first down run.

Wrong x 2

1st & 10 at PHI 21
(9:56 - 2nd) (Shotgun) A.Jones right guard to PHI 17 for 4 yards (D.Barnett).

2nd & 6 at PHI 17
(9:17 - 2nd) A.Jones up the middle to PHI 13 for 4 yards (N.Gerry).

3rd & 2 at PHI 13
(8:33 - 2nd) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to D.Adams.

4th & 2 at PHI 13
(8:24 - 2nd) Mason Crosby 31 Yd Field Goal

and

1st & 10 at GB 42
(14:13 - 3rd) A.Jones up the middle to GB 45 for 3 yards (Z.Brown).

2nd & 7 at GB 45
(13:51 - 3rd) (No Huddle) A.Jones right end to GB 45 for no gain (B.Graham; F.Cox).

3rd & 7 at GB 45
(13:08 - 3rd) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep right to M.Valdes-Scantling. Green Bay challenged the play for possible defensive pass interference, and the play was Upheld. The ruling on the field stands. (Timeout #1.)

4th & 7 at GB 45
(13:03 - 3rd) J.Scott punts 31 yards to PHI 24, Center-H.Bradley, out of bound

[Fritz]

Three weeks of winning, and this thread is all just a joke. The fact is, though, we won those games DESPITE LaFleur's damn "new offense" and his rotten play calling after the first scripted plays. Now, it ought to be serious. And we lost this game tonight primarily BECAUSE of his horrible play calling.

Now there's whining about our wide receivers? Sheeeeesh! If the whiners need something to complain about and talk about past and future drafts, the talk should be about O Line and D Line. If that wasn't dead obvious in tonight's game to anybody, they must not have been watching the same game.

I thought you'd be getting a boner last night once GB just abandoned the run altogether.

[mraynrand]

Wrong x 2

1st & 10 at PHI 21
(9:56 - 2nd) (Shotgun) A.Jones right guard to PHI 17 for 4 yards (D.Barnett).

2nd & 6 at PHI 17
(9:17 - 2nd) A.Jones up the middle to PHI 13 for 4 yards (N.Gerry).

3rd & 2 at PHI 13
(8:33 - 2nd) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to D.Adams.

4th & 2 at PHI 13
(8:24 - 2nd) Mason Crosby 31 Yd Field Goal

and

1st & 10 at GB 42
(14:13 - 3rd) A.Jones up the middle to GB 45 for 3 yards (Z.Brown).

2nd & 7 at GB 45
(13:51 - 3rd) (No Huddle) A.Jones right end to GB 45 for no gain (B.Graham; F.Cox).

3rd & 7 at GB 45
(13:08 - 3rd) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep right to M.Valdes-Scantling. Green Bay challenged the play for possible defensive pass interference, and the play was Upheld. The ruling on the field stands. (Timeout #1.)

4th & 7 at GB 45
(13:03 - 3rd) J.Scott punts 31 yards to PHI 24, Center-H.Bradley, out of bound

You said running into the line, wasting a down. Jones got 4 and 3 yards on both of those first downs. I should have been more clear in my post. Sorry about that.

[Radagast]

this shit is not funny

If your referring to the negative Nancys posting in this thread, then I agree. Try to imagine them as 2nd graders out on the playground at recess time. Running in all directions as fast as they can and yelling at the tops of their lungs. Picture that and it's easier to dismiss most of the clueless chatter.

So join me as I ROFL at their current wandering rhetoric.

[texaspackerbacker]

I thought you'd be getting a boner last night once GB just abandoned the run altogether.

If they had won the game, believe me, I wood (pun intended).

[texaspackerbacker]

You said running into the line, wasting a down. Jones got 4 and 3 yards on both of those first downs. I should have been more clear in my post. Sorry about that.

I'd still call them wasted downs, and that would be the case even if the series didn't end with a punt and a short field goal. And there were a ton of times when just first down was similarly wasted.

Besides, shame on your hypocrisy hahahaha; You who place such great store on doing the research, well, I actually took the time and did the research for once and proved you wrong - and then you grasp at this straw (I say good naturedly hahahaha).

[mraynrand]

I'd still call them wasted downs, and that would be the case even if the series didn't end with a punt and a short field goal. And there were a ton of times when just first down was similarly wasted.

Besides, shame on your hypocrisy hahahaha; You who place such great store on doing the research, well, I actually took the time and did the research for once and proved you wrong - and then you grasp at this straw (I say good naturedly hahahaha).

Good for you, really. I went through the same playlist as you. In the other thread, I broke down all the runs. There were only 20, 10 in each half. Again, it helps to have the threat to run, otherwise the defense just tees it up and goes after Rodgers, which is one reason the pass pro wasn't as good. Not to mention Light being in there.

[Radagast]

As the "old" joke says;

Q: How do you get to Carnegie Hall?

A: Practice, Practice, Practice


To get better at most things, practice is required. As GB's running game moves from week to week, it's the blocking and not the runners that need to get better. HC LaFleur does not require years of experience as a HC to know that Offensive Line blocking is the key a successful running game. It depends upon a team effort as the linemen's jobs are to clear a path for the runner. So when you see a team succeed / fail with their running game, take a closer look at their O-line.

Here's a good example.

Dallas' RB Ezekiel Elliott is a better runner because of his offensive line play. In turn, their QB Dak Prescott is not as vulnerable on plays where he wants to pass the football. It all works to balance the run / pass part of their offense.

GB too is working toward this same goal, however with his new offensive system and new or 2nd team players stepping up to play in place of those injured, it's not just a matter of getting the original 5 O-linemen to work as a well oiled machine, but every o-linemen on the roster. In addition, should a player need to go on IR and a player is promoted from the practice squad or acquired from FA or by trade, they too must become a perfect fit in a blocking machine.

Some say that the pass is everything and the running play is outdated, but look carefully back at the successful playoff teams over the last 40 or more years and you'll find that the most successful teams possess both a passing and running game. I hear the same arguments each year, but when December and January are played in the cold or cold rain or the snow, it's the team that worked all season to field a strong running game that has the advantage. Be glad that LaFleur's offense system places the proper strong value on having a strong running game. They may not be as we all wish they were at this time. but be sure it will pay benefits worth the sweat and sore muscles when the season / playoffs end in success due in part to a strong running game. Yes it takes time and effort to field a good running game, but good things come to those who patiently work toward a higher goal.

[MadtownPacker]

If they had won the game, believe me, I wood (pun intended).

I get it. Instead of V for Victory it’s Viagra.

[pbmax]

If you watch Aaron Jones run outside zone, you might see a RB who needs practice at reading the outside zone blocking. He takes everything too wide.

[Joemailman]

If you watch Aaron Jones run outside zone, you might see a RB who needs practice at reading the outside zone blocking. He takes everything too wide.

Perhaps that's why against Denver J Williams was much more effective than Jones. I have to wonder if Denver did some things against Jones that Philly also had success with. It's a copycat league.

[bobblehead]

I agree our WR's are not good enough

But the coaching is not good enough also

How are all the other first year coaches doing? How did they do last 5 years? Asking for a friend.