Official Fire Matt LaFleur Thread

[Bretsky]

Losing to another 13-3 reg season team is not proof of being overrated. Otherwise, Seattle would have proven to be better.

Packers beat Seattle

Seattle beat the 49 whiners (were 1-1)

49 whiners beat the Vikings

Vikings beat the Saints

Packers beat the Vikings (were 2-0)

We'll see what happens for Game 2 against these bozos Sunday.

we did catch a nice break here not playing the Saints.....we played a 13-3 team decimated by injuries

[Joemailman]

Experts aside, we got a lot of breaks this year and the awesome thing about the NFL is parity for the most part. It seems like in past years we always got screwed a game or two. The stars have aligned this year.

Are you an overrated 14 and 3 team ?

Let's check back on this after Sunday

If the Packers win Sunday, I'm sure you'll say they got the breaks. Seems to be a theme with you.

[Bretsky]

If the Packers win Sunday, I'm sure you'll say they got the breaks. Seems to be a theme with you.

How did you vote ? And I'd say there is a pretty strong contingency in both WI and nationally who feel the same as I do. We've all enjoyed the ride.

If GB wins I'll give the coaching staff a ton of credit and AROD a ton of credit for having a great game. Because both will deserve it

[pbmax]

we did catch a nice break here not playing the Saints.....we played a 13-3 team decimated by injuries

They lost to the freaking Vikings. In a home game. With the Vikings D backend decimated by injuries.

Translation: not better than the Packers.

[Rutnstrut]

Experts aside, we got a lot of breaks this year and the awesome thing about the NFL is parity for the most part. It seems like in past years we always got screwed a game or two. The stars have aligned this year.

Are you an overrated 14 and 3 team ?

Let's check back on this after Sunday

Are you saying you think they would have been just as good with stubby? They wouldn't even have made the playoffs with stubby as he would have refused to utilize Jones.

[mraynrand]

Are you saying you think they would have been just as good with stubby? They wouldn't even have made the playoffs with stubby as he would have refused to utilize Jones.

This construction is old and tired. We know that the football org was dysfunctional. Maybe Stubby would have called plays for Jones and Rogers would have checked out of them. We know the front office was stockpiling for FA and draft in 2019, we know they wanted Stubby out, so who hell knows how Stubby would have done with the smith brothers and Amos and LEEEEROY mmmJENKINS? It’s over. Forget Stubbers. As ‘Ol ‘scoops’ McGinn would say, at the end of the season you are what your record says you are. Packers are at least the fourth best team in football. It’s a good roster. Lot of good players, with a few obvious holes, and wafer-thin depth at a lot of critical positions. Even though SF is probably better overall, Packers still have a legit shot at beating them. Same for Chefs and Tit ans.

[pbmax]

Are you saying you think they would have been just as good with stubby? They wouldn't even have made the playoffs with stubby as he would have refused to utilize Jones.

Its a great question.

Its a league where players matter first, and I'd bet they would be in the playoffs if the D still got their FAs.

[mraynrand]

Its a great question..

[pbmax]

I get it, its mostly complaining about the past and banging on about how the poster was right years ago.

But I still find the question interesting. McCarthy had a top 10 offense last year in what was easily the worst year of his offense. 3rd in rushing and 12th in passing.

[Bretsky]

I get it, its mostly complaining about the past and banging on about how the poster was right years ago.

But I still find the question interesting. McCarthy had a top 10 offense last year in what was easily the worst year of his offense. 3rd in rushing and 12th in passing.

I recall you stating that there is around a 33% chance we end up with a better coach then MM
First year hints that we did.

Guter killed it in Free Agency this year; you can go up in smoke or kill it. He killed it.

MM's job was challenging with Ted

[pbmax]

I recall you stating that there is around a 33% chance we end up with a better coach then MM
First year hints that we did.

Guter killed it in Free Agency this year; you can go up in smoke or kill it. He killed it.

MM's job was challenging with Ted

Yeah, Ted recovered some with his last drafts, but he had 3 or 4 this decade that were among his worst. Several of his second contract guys were done (Matthews, Perry, Daniels) and the guys up for second contracts weren't helping enough (Monty, HaHa).

I think The Flower is a modest step up from McCarthy. Mostly about sticking with the run to protect Rodgers while figuring out the offense. His hiring also defused whatever battler Rodgers and McCarthy were having

But the defense and somehow ST are where they made a jump.

He has proven more resilient than I first expected to pressure from Rodgers. He's also more flexible than he first came off.

One of the weird developments is that McCarthy, not exactly a 19th century orator, spent some significant time polishing his go to remarks to defuse public situations at all times. He ran into a problem in Dallas a few days ago when he trotted out his favorite "you don't play the game in air conditioned offices" then chuckled when he remembered he played indoors at JerryWorld now. His comment was "I'll have to change my words".

La Fleur got caught up in defending his system (no audibles, two play calls, etc) publicly. He's learned quite a bit since then. He's also given over quite a bit to Rodgers preferences on offense, I expect partially due to Rodgers and partially due to receiver limitations.

Which has gotten him buy-in from his QB. They are clearly running effectively and the leads they have concocted in first halves help them tremendously. He has Rodgers on his side now and that helps both of them.

Its been impressive, but perhaps not as impressive as Gute finding Smith, Smith, Amos, Turner, Sullivan, Campbell, Greene and Swervin' Ervin.

[mraynrand]

I get it, its mostly complaining about the past and banging on about how the poster was right years ago.

But I still find the question interesting. McCarthy had a top 10 offense last year in what was easily the worst year of his offense. 3rd in rushing and 12th in passing.

I'm only saying that the theoretical has to assume people are generally getting along and not behaving in the ways that blew the thing up in the first place. And then it becomes a chicken/egg question (Coach/personnel) with people breaking along predictable lines based on coaching tendencies that led them to like/dislike Stubby. Kinda boring.

Oh, and they were good in running and passing last year because Rodgers was calling all the right plays at the LOS, including the AZ game.

[mraynrand]

Its been impressive, but perhaps not as impressive as Gute finding Smith, Smith, Amos, Turner, Sullivan, Campbell, Greene and Swervin' Ervin.

And Vandeerinheadlights. Don't forget about the Bruce Wilkerson Award winner.

[pbmax]

And Vandeerinheadlights. Don't forget about the Bruce Wilkerson Award winner.

Him too.

[beveaux1]

I'm wondering what happens when the team faces adversity, be it injury, a losing streak, even an off-season scandal. For whatever problems the previous regime had, they were very good until the end days of recovering from those types of problems.
On the field, they haven't even lost two games in a row. MLF is still untried whereas M3 was a pretty steady hand.

Although I'm extremely pleased with this season, the jury is still out on this coaching staff until we have more time to evaluate.

PS: A Super Bowl win extends the honeymoon period by quite a bit.