HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE NEW PACKER COACH ?

[gbgary]

I wonder if he was even allowed to bring in his own DC, or if he was told he could have the job but had to keep pettine

Seems like the decision to keep the DC came about as quick as the announcement of the HC hire

i think i read that Pettine was on his list of assistants he wanted. guess we'll see if that question is asked and answered.

[Fritz]

I wonder if LeFleur genuinely liked Pettine and wanted him, if he figured Pettine was as good as anyone so what the hell, or if he thought that's what he needed to say to get the gig.

Who knows how it'll all work out? LeFleur could be good - he was better than the retreads, for sure, and McDaniels was no sure bet. But, as Patler pointed out, being a HC is more than just coaching - you're running an organization.

Maybe LeFleur just needs a lot of good assistants, including a personal assistant.

We'll see how it works out.

I don't see next season as being a playoff year, but maybe the season afterward, if all goes well - particularly the drafting.

[KYPack]

This is a great thread. Must be, I agree with it.

Murphy has the lines of organization all stretched out of shape. He's trying to do other peoples jobs to make sure they get done right. That's all fine and dandy, but he's going to quickly exceed his span of control.

Let's say this whole project flops miserably. Who fires Murphy.

Well, that's the exec committee.

Murphy might be sending us back to the 50's with his moves of the last year.

[mraynrand]

This is a great thread. Must be, I agree with it.

Murphy has the lines of organization all stretched out of shape. He's trying to do other peoples jobs to make sure they get done right. That's all fine and dandy, but he's going to quickly exceed his span of control.

Let's say this whole project flops miserably. Who fires Murphy.

Well, that's the exec committee.

Murphy might be sending us back to the 50's with his moves of the last year.

Depends. Is it a light touch, a slack leash? I suspect mostly so. Murphy knew his boundaries before. I think 31 is mostly correct - he is overcompensating AND he will quickly find out (if he hasn't already) that he can't micromanage this thing. Bottom line is that they invested in Rodgers and have to make that work. My guess is he'll spend some effort making sure that's OK, maybe even just going through Gute. I say this not knowing whether he and Rodgers ever just casually chat or whether they have any more formal meetings at all. We'll know pretty fast whether it's working.

[KYPack]

Yeah, Rand, but I think the Murph is somewhat guilty of fire, ready, aim here. Another thing that gave me pause was at the presser when the duo fired MM. The reporters asked Murph who was going to do the search. He bristled a little and snarled that he was qualified to help after his long career in the NFL, etc. More ego than I have seen before. That could be a bad sign. If you think you are the only one who knows what they are doing, you have to do all the work.
I hope things get on track, but Pres MM needs to go back upstairs and quit trying to be involved in every action and decision.

[call_me_ishmael]

How is his wive's facebook not locked down yet? This is sort of insane to me.

https://www.facebook.com/breanne.lafleur

[mraynrand]

Yeah, Rand, but I think the Murph is somewhat guilty of fire, ready, aim here. Another thing that gave me pause was at the presser when the duo fired MM. The reporters asked Murph who was going to do the search. He bristled a little and snarled that he was qualified to help after his long career in the NFL, etc. More ego than I have seen before. That could be a bad sign. If you think you are the only one who knows what they are doing, you have to do all the work.
I hope things get on track, but Pres MM needs to go back upstairs and quit trying to be involved in every action and decision.

If we get credible reports of him nosing into the draft, then I'll get really nervous. If he wants to talk to the players they bring by for interviews that's just fine, but if he's lurking in the draft room and insisting on contributing to the big board, then Katie Bar the Door!

[mraynrand]

How is his wive's facebook not locked down yet? This is sort of insane to me.

https://www.facebook.com/breanne.lafleur

"This page isn't available

The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed"


That was fast. Maybe they just don't like you - or me. lol

[pbmax]

i'm meh about it. i said in another thread that i didn't think it mattered who they got as Rodgers is who/what he is, will do what he wants, and the lack of cap space will keep this team in the 8-8 range for the duration of Rodgers contract, as he's only getting older, less effective, and more expensive as each year passes. so i'm in the ok with it category. i'll believe it, when i see it.

There is not a lack of cap space. People keep saying this but they have plenty of room.

Now if you want two more max contract guys, then its going to get dicey. But Matthews, Cobb and Perry and possible Graham are coming either off the books or substantially down. Wilkerson was a one year deal if they want it. They had room left in 2018 and they'll have even more next. 2020 might get tighter depending on what they do with FA this year.

[call_me_ishmael]

He seemed really nervous or not very articulate. I dunno. First impression was not great or commanding. I remember MM's intro with the fresh coat of paint metaphor. MM is just more Wisconsin I think.

[denverYooper]

He seemed really nervous or not very articulate. I dunno. First impression was not great or commanding. I remember MM's intro with the fresh coat of paint metaphor. MM is just more Wisconsin I think.

MM was drunk at his first PC?

[gbgary]

the presser had some funny moments. Murphy, as the organization's number one, did a good job with it. the fact that Gute and Ball seemed to have equal votes to his in this matter shows he's not trying to be the Grand Poobah in all things. as the young Gute gains experience more will be put on his plate. MLF seemed understandably nervous but got more comfortable as the presser continued. what got me is how everyone seemed so scared whenever Rodgers' name was mentioned. (smh)

[pbmax]

I used to be entirely against the ownership/admin messing around with the construction of coaching staffs, but the Steelers have changed my mind about it. They repeatedly build Frankenstein staffs and put GMs and coaches together piece by piece.

Plus the fact that great coaches aren't born on trees. Like Belichick they are hatched by snakes overseen by witches. And they tend to learn to be better over time and after some mistakes.

BB had mixed results in Cleveland, Bill Walsh pissed off Paul Brown and struggled in college. So the idea that a new young HC is going to hire all the right people is pretty naive. If I remember, didn't Wolf say they were all pitching in trying to help Ray Rhodes construct a staff when he was hired? For some reason I remember him struggling to fill some positions. Maybe that was Sherman.

Holmgren knocked it out of the park, but he stole from the 49ers and his best coaches were the kids. Then he lost Rhodes because the family wasn't overly fond of GB. Shurmur was the classic hire the guy who nearly cost me my job (5-2 Eagle!) Sherman did OK (but bailed on his DC in an unnecessary panic). Anyone want to debate Rossely again?

McCarthy had to rebuild his entire D staff 3 years in and never found a competent ST coach.

So keeping Pettine isn't unworkable or inexcusable. It might save the young guy some trouble to have a DC who is one year in.

The key, as it always is, will be whether the young guy learns from mistakes and finds a way to correct and not repeat them. He will get a chance to hire another DC if he has just modest success. He'll get that chance. The big question is whether he will learn all the other things a HC needs to master?

[pbmax]

Yes to both. But just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that everyone isn't actually out to get you. With Wist, I suspect they are.

That large a hydroponic operation tends to attract attention.

And keeps you from scouting D talent.

[pbmax]

the presser had some funny moments. Murphy, as the organization's number one, did a good job with it. the fact that Gute and Ball seemed to have equal votes to his in this matter shows he's not trying to be the Grand Poobah in all things. as the young Gute gains experience more will be put on his plate. MLF seemed understandably nervous but got more comfortable as the presser continued. what got me is how everyone seemed so scared whenever Rodgers' name was mentioned. (smh)

I had myself talked into being OK with a more activist CEO/Pres but then he said Ball had a vote. WTF?