Complacency!!!

[Fosco33]

A number of articles have come out this offseason about the culture of the Packers.

Specifically around accountability and complacency.

Now we saw DRandall, HCD and Montgomery all get moved in the last year.

But being late to the plane? Ygbfkm

How deep does this go?

Is this on Murphy or M3?

Is M4 able to right this ship? You figure guys get paid to be pro’s and have to be managed like spoiled high schoolers?

[gbgary]

on murphy? no...it's on mccarthy/thompson. and it's pure disrespect. this crap started years ago...not with randall. sitton? maybe someone before that? had to be a veteran team leader with statis as anyone else's job would be on the line. the only one who publicly did it was rodgers but my guess is he just took his turn rather than being the first.

[pbmax]

on murphy? no...it's on mccarthy/thompson. this crap started years ago...not with randall. sitton? maybe someone before that? had to be a veteran team leader with statis as anyone else's job would be on the line. the only one who publicly did it was rodgers but my guess is he just took his turn rather than being the first.

You are confusing three different behaviors.

Randall was a talkative head case who had to be benched in a game because he couldn't get past a bad play. Given what we learned later, I suspect he was crossed up by communication on defense.

Sitton was blasting the offenses' predictability in public.

Josh Jones was the guy that Randall and Martinez were strongly hinting that was getting starting reps despite not being prepared or accountable.

Pick your poison. I suspect that not that much changed except talent level and number of wins.

Every time a players coach gets fired, everyone, including the players, wants a hard case. And then when he fails, everyone wants someone who can relate to the players. This is mostly just window dressing to the actual problems. It exists, but isn't the cause. Its a symptom.

[gbgary]

it all boils down to disrespect though. mouthing, showing up to meetings late, not being prepared, whatever, if they cared and there were consequences it wouldn't have happened or at least been taken care of quickly.

[Fosco33]

Was Sitton wrong? Or just because he disrespected the locker room code?

You have to imagine getting rid former starters/pro bowlers and HC mid season would, by itself, make guys wake up.

But we saw this shit in Week 1. How do you not get fired up to play at home, at night against your rival?

If it’s not playtime, getting cut, fined or getting kicked off the team - what consequences are left?

Did players just want out of GB at any cost? Is Arod that annoying to deal with?

[Joemailman]

Was Sitton wrong? Or just because he disrespected the locker room code?

You have to imagine getting rid former starters/pro bowlers and HC mid season would, by itself, make guys wake up.

But we saw this shit in Week 1. How do you not get fired up to play at home, at night against your rival?

If it’s not playtime, getting cut, fined or getting kicked off the team - what consequences are left?

Did players just want out of GB at any cost? Is Arod that annoying to deal with?

MM lost the respect of this team. I think the warning signs started last year. Hundley seeming to be unprepared to replace Rodgers. Randall unwilling to finish a game. HHCD passing up opportunities to make tackles against Detroit. It continued this year with the team seeming to be unprepared to play games, HHCD clearly wanting out, and finally the team coming out flat against Arizona in an absolutely must-win game.

[wist43]

I dont understand the complacency thing... to me, if you're a competitor, you should always want to win. From there, it's pure logic - do everything you personally can do to be your best, and help your team win.

I hate, HATE, losing!!! When in the heat of battle, I want to rip your throat out!!!

Playing headgames, and backstabbing people... get rid of those people - fast. That's why looking a man in the eye tells you more than his bio or stat sheet.

[Fosco33]

I dont understand the complacency thing... to me, if you're a competitor, you should always want to win. From there, it's pure logic - do everything you personally can do to be your best, and help your team win.

I hate, HATE, losing!!! When in the heat of battle, I want to rip your throat out!!!

Playing headgames, and backstabbing people... get rid of those people - fast. That's why looking a man in the eye tells you more than his bio or stat sheet.

Exactly. I help coach my kids 10yr basketball team. We were in OT last week w/ 8sec left and inbounding. I call a timeout and tell the team - just inbound the ball, dribble a few times and run out the clock as the team can’t press at that age level. Some people were pissed -they’re losers with a whiner attitude.

Surround yourself with people that want to win - at cards, league softball, bowling, fantasy, fortnite, or whatever.

Complacency has no place in life. Either you adapt, innovate or die. I’d offer anyone who didn’t want to be out there a one way ticket to the Queens or Bears w/ no sweat.

[pbmax]

Exactly. I help coach my kids 10yr basketball team. We were in OT last week w/ 8sec left and inbounding. I call a timeout and tell the team - just inbound the ball, dribble a few times and run out the clock as the team can’t press at that age level. Some people were pissed -they’re losers with a whiner attitude.
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Its possible you are nuts. You can be a competitor and want to follow the spirit of the rules.

[pbmax]

I find it instructive that dumping the malcontents did not improve the team's performance.

But dumping the coach did.

That is the lesson of 2018.

[Fosco33]

Its possible you are nuts. You can be a competitor and want to follow the spirit of the rules.

Play to win... it’s simple. It’s like missing a free throw and trying to get the rebound.

Is kneeling out the clock in last 2 min or clocking the ball to stop it bad? Jeesh

[pbmax]

Play to win... it’s simple. It’s like missing a free throw and trying to get the rebound.

Is kneeling out the clock in last 2 min or clocking the ball to stop it bad? Jeesh

I have no idea what the expectations are for the youth league you are coaching in. Sounds like some parents expected the play to continue as per normal.

And sure, kneeling under two minutes in victory formation is what everyone expects. What they don't expect is for Greg Schiano to send the D line and linebackers crashing into the O line. Even Belichick doesn't do that. He's just videotaping you.

[red]

A number of articles have come out this offseason about the culture of the Packers.

nice that writers are finally stepping up now

the problem has been obvious for YEARS!!!!!!!

if the beat writers would have taken the team cock out of its mouth and spoke up on the problem earlier, we might not be in this mess right now, we wouldn't have wasted the last few season, and our HOF QB might not have been allowed to have his head grow bigger then the stadium

[red]

Sitton was blasting the offenses' predictability in public.

so sitton was let go because he pointed out what most of us could see, but the team didn't want to do anything about?

[pbmax]

nice that writers are finally stepping up now

the problem has been obvious for YEARS!!!!!!!

if the beat writers would have taken the team cock out of its mouth and spoke up on the problem earlier, we might not be in this mess right now, we wouldn't have wasted the last few season, and our HOF QB might not have been allowed to have his head grow bigger then the stadium

Players have to do the talking. You had beat guys covering the companies of Twitter scouts and tape eaters that the offense was stale and predictable.

You can only take a point so far without a source.