Draft 2019 : The Reasoning BEHIND Your Preferences

[The Shadow]

In the official 2019 Draft thread, I have read many Rat's choices for the Packer's draft. But, overall, they seemed like just names - without much reasoning behind the choices. So, I thought is might be nice to outline the reasons that these choices are being put forth - at least for the first 2 rounds..
Here's mine :

Round #1 (12): Devin White, LB. Free agency has added some oomph to the pass rush. We have a pretty solid D line & we have added lots of young talent to the secondary. What I think we most need now is speed & instincts at the inside LB position (and no, I don't think Burks is the answer). So : adding White to the defense adds a lot to the middle of the defense.
If White is gone : I would trade back a bit & choose Devin Bush (and pick up a bit more draft capital).

[B]Round #1 (30) : Marquise Brown, WR.. We have Graham, and Tonyan has promise. Much more impact for the offense would be a ultra-fast jitterbug for the slot - a wonderful new toy for Rodgers & LeFleur to utilize. Living down here in Bear's country, I watched how Nagy used Tarik Cohen & his speed to confuse defenses. It didn't even really matter how MUCH he was used; just his presence alone caused defensive confusion : teams were scared he was going to torch them. Brown's presence would greatly open up things for other receivers.

Round #2 Taylor Rapp, S, Nasir Adderly, S, or Chris Lindstrom OG. We need an instinctive Safety to pair with Amos (and maybe grooming for one after Tramon goes). We good use some help also on the O Line.

[run pMc]

I'd prefer and EDGE at 12 (Brian Burns would be my pick, assuming he's there), with Gardner-Johnson at 30, and the best OL available in R2. I'm a believer in Lindstrom...I think he's a plug and play at G, and could maybe play RT in a pinch.

I realize Hollywood Brown is flashy, but 160 lb WRs don't last long, and you can get a guy like Mecole Hardman returning punts and blowing past guys from the slot in R3 or later. Keep an eye on someone like Penny Hart, GB interviewed him at the Senior Bowl, and if he comes in for a pre-draft visit you know they are still interested. He's a blazer, has been productive, and could be had cheaper.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/penny-hart-completes-week-of-dark-horse-dominance

[wist43]

I'd prefer and EDGE at 12 (Brian Burns would be my pick, assuming he's there), with Gardner-Johnson at 30, and the best OL available in R2. I'm a believer in Lindstrom...I think he's a plug and play at G, and could maybe play RT in a pinch.

I realize Hollywood Brown is flashy, but 160 lb WRs don't last long, and you can get a guy like Mecole Hardman returning punts and blowing past guys from the slot in R3 or later. Keep an eye on someone like Penny Hart, GB interviewed him at the Senior Bowl, and if he comes in for a pre-draft visit you know they are still interested. He's a blazer, has been productive, and could be had cheaper.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...orse-dominance

I really like Gardner-Johnson... and Penny Hart lit up the Senior Bowl practices. Really showed an affinity for getting DB's turned around and flummoxed.

I agree that Brown's size is an issue... would need to be used in specific ways.

Our offense desperately needs a home run hitter though.

[call_me_ishmael]

The ideal player that realistically has a shot to be there at 12 is Ed Oliver for me. I like him because in his highlights, which are admittedly highlights, he just dominates and is so fast off the ball. There are some clips out there where he moves like a WR. he is spooky athletic compared to many of his peers.

If Oliver isn't available, I guess I want somebody like Burns or Greedy Williams (Unless a top OT is available). Burns is super springy and seems far more athletic than some of the pass rushers from last year. I'm intrigued by that. His ability to get low and bend will really help. Apparently he has great hands. Greedy Williams would be a decent pick because he is super long and fast, and his numbers show that teams struggle against him. He is like Kevin King basically. I'm not sure if he has the injury history King does.

At 30 I want Parris Campbell or some sort of a trench player. Campbell is really freaking fast AND quick. Makes you think they could use him in all sorts of ways on crossing routes, end arounds, jet sweeps, etc.

[Deputy Nutz]

I would rather have Parris Campbell than Marquis Brown.

Safety has a deep first tier, but not elite.
Offensive line has a slightly above average first tier.
Inside linebacker has an above average first tier, but it drops significantly after the first 3 guys
Corner has a very small first tier compared to previous drafts
Edge has a very top heavy tier one, and then next to nothing after
Defensive line has a very good tier one, a decent tier two and then you better have your scouting glasses on
QB is mostly vomit at this point. Pick a QB in any tier and you are reaching.
RB has a bunch of mid round guys at the top of the rankings.
WR really has no elite type cat, but I think it is the deepest position in the draft.

[run pMc]

I would rather have Parris Campbell than Marquis Brown.

Safety has a deep first tier, but not elite.
Offensive line has a slightly above average first tier.
Inside linebacker has an above average first tier, but it drops significantly after the first 3 guys
Corner has a very small first tier compared to previous drafts
Edge has a very top heavy tier one, and then next to nothing after
Defensive line has a very good tier one, a decent tier two and then you better have your scouting glasses on
QB is mostly vomit at this point. Pick a QB in any tier and you are reaching.
RB has a bunch of mid round guys at the top of the rankings.
WR really has no elite type cat, but I think it is the deepest position in the draft.

Agree with this assessment from what I've seen and heard. It aligns decently with some areas GB has needs.
EDGE, QB, LT are generally found in the higher rounds.

Random ramblings....

I find it hard to believe GB will draft a QB this year.

RB and WR can be found in mid to late rounds. Aaron Jones' injuries mean they need another back, one with skills suited to outside zone and catching short passes. Seems like the Jacobs kid from AL is the consensus top RB, and he might fall out of R1. GB is going to be a RB by committee team, so they don't need to spend early picks for a bell cow, do-it-all back. At WR, they have Adams and a bunch of young giants. If I'm Gute, I'm looking for a (probably smaller) shifty player who can play from the slot and return punts reliably. Gute likes his receivers tall, but maybe that was McCarthy...who knows. There are a lot of low to sub 4.4 burners in this class, and they will be there on Days 2 and 3. Moreso than the 40 speed, I'd look at production, route running, hands and the agility/quickness measurements: short shuttle/10 yd split/3 cone. Julian Edelman burns everyone because he has a 1.52 10 yd, 6.62 3c, 3.92 ss...and he ran a 4.52 40. I'd prefer a slot guy to be at least 5'10" and 190-200 to take the beatings they'll get going over the middle. Maybe G-MO and ESB can do some of that, but a different skillset with some gadget ability would make the offense more unpredictable and harder to defend.

OL is a need -- we saw that with Taylor being hurt and the McCray/Bell mess. Keeping Bulaga makes sense...they can plug holes with him and Turner on the right side, but neither seem reliable to me. Drafting a backup tackle to fight with Spriggs and another to battle Taylor/Turner would be my preference. I've heard assessments all over the place re: the OT class but it seems like you can get players who can step in and play through the end of R2. After that it's developmental guys, and that might be ok for your first year.

TE class is supposed to be very good so I'd look at someone here, probably mid rounds unless a top one drops to you. They will all need seasoning, Hockenson is probably gone around pick 20. I think there will be a run on them in R2-3 but they can still find one after that if they are going with Graham and Lewis off the bench first with Tonyan hopefully emerging.

They will need another EDGE player; Fackrell's contract will be up and the guy is 28 or something. Gilbert and Donnerson haven't shown much in regular season, and Z'Darius will rush inside on obvious passing downs. Taking one high -- especially if there's good depth -- makes sense.
Mike Daniels is coming off an injury and on his last contract year, they want to keep Clark but the other DL need to provide pass rush. With this being a good draft for DL, that seems like a place they will look, with the idea that they don't need to reach or draft early. There will be good talent at least into Rounds 3-4 (~Nutz's tiers 1 & 2?).

That they brought Curtis Riley in for a chat tells me they aren't done at Safety, and probably prefer to move Tramon back to CB. It also tells me what they think of Josh Jones and Raven Greene right now, and another safety will be joining the team. If they keep Tramon at S or cut him they will need another CB; I'm not confident in King/Alexander/Jackson/Brown staying healthy, and that's a very young group.

So I'd probably look defense with first pick (probably EDGE), and then after that look at OT or if there's a really good S/CB out there take them. I'd only want a S in R1-2 if I knew they could play deep middle and wouldn't be a liability in single high -- those guys don't grow on trees. Otherwise you look at a guy with speed like Thornhill later and develop him along. I'd take a CB if Tramon definitely stays at S or if a good one falls. OT seems like a likely place at 30 or 44, simply because there will be some good candidates to who can play RT available. Taking a OG in R1 is gutsy unless you know they are a Zach Martin/Steve Hutchinson type; you can find good ones later and with the run scheme changing I think I'd look for one mid-rounds. As mentioned, they wouldn't have to play a drafted OL right away.

When you look back at team's drafts, it pretty amazing. Most of the players never pan out...and I'm not just looking at TT's 2015 draft. If Gute can get 2 good players (eventual starters) and a star out of this draft they will be contenders again.

[gbgary]

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[bobblehead]

I still want to draft defense. I think a lot of our offensive woes disappear with M4 at the helm and a modern day system. Jonah Williams is the only offensive player I would be happy with at 12. I want a lock down D because when playoffs start officials let them be more grabby and get away with things. That has hurt us often in the past other than when our D carried us to Rodgers lone Owl (and Favres)

[Deputy Nutz]

I am also a defensive minded guy when it comes to the Packers with the 12th pick. For one I thing the talent level drops considerably after the first 4 or 5 edge rushers. If you want to get one with the expectation of making a contribution in 2019 you will have to spend it with the current 12th pick. My assumption is that Allen and Bosa will not be there at 12. The next best edge rusher in the draft and honestly better than Allen is Clelin Ferrell from Clemson.

Ferrell is an impact player that has been well coached and trained at Clemson. Go look in the other thread where I have posted the game films. His film is considerably better than Burns, Sweat, and Allen.

Now this doesn't mean jack shit other than a prediction at the next level. Burns and Sweat just look to lean right now in the lower body.

If Ferrell is not there, then it would Be Oliver. If Oliver was not there than I would swing for White or one of the top three corners in this draft if available.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

When’s the last time the Packers drafted a finesse playa on offense in the first round? The Great Arm of Butte in ‘05?

The genius in moi says that WR DK Metcalf will either be the next Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson or Terrell Owens. Moss and Owens are bronzed. C-John will be, too, in the near future.

Draft Metcalf at 12.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I am also a defensive minded guy when it comes to the Packers with the 12th pick. For one I thing the talent level drops considerably after the first 4 or 5 edge rushers. If you want to get one with the expectation of making a contribution in 2019 you will have to spend it with the current 12th pick. My assumption is that Allen and Bosa will not be there at 12. The next best edge rusher in the draft and honestly better than Allen is Clelin Ferrell from Clemson.

Ferrell is an impact player that has been well coached and trained at Clemson. Go look in the other thread where I have posted the game films. His film is considerably better than Burns, Sweat, and Allen.

Now this doesn't mean jack shit other than a prediction at the next level. Burns and Sweat just look to lean right now in the lower body.

If Ferrell is not there, then it would Be Oliver. If Oliver was not there than I would swing for White or one of the top three corners in this draft if available.

What’s with your obsession with Josh Allen? Is it b/c he used the N-Word on social media?

[Fritz]

Tank, it appears Nutz has actually watched some film and evaluated the players. He's uh, actually trying to discuss football intelligently. Don't hijack this good discussion with your tired schtick.

I think Ferrell or Oliver or White would be fine at #12.

[Sparkey]

Tim Lewis, Jermichael Finley, Terrence Murphy, Sterling Sharpe, Nick Collins:

All reason why the Packers will never draft Metcalf.

[pbmax]

Tim Lewis, Jermichael Finley, Terrence Murphy, Sterling Sharpe, Nick Collins:

All reason why the Packers will never draft Metcalf.

Don't forget Jonathan Franklin.

[esoxx]

Don't forget Jonathan Franklin.

Don't forget Johnny Holland.