Draft 2019 : The Reasoning BEHIND Your Preferences

[Fritz]

The little I watched Josh Allen, he looked like a skinny defensive end who could get pushed around. I did not think of him as an OLB, so my question: I thought I saw him play with a hand in the dirt, but did he in fact play as an OLB at Kentucky?

I was thinking that you might be able to convert a guy like Chase Winovich into a good OLB. He's undersized a bit for a defensive lineman, but could perhaps be converted to OLB. He seems quick enough.

[texaspackerbacker]

These kinds of posts are a breath of fresh air compared to the pervasive irrelevant shit that has been so prevalent lately.

Nutz, didn't we just deal with that need for an edge rusher with the Smith boys? Preston has demonstrated a decent ability to drop in coverage and should be an upgrade pass rusher from anything we've had since Clay was in his prime, and Za'Darius may not be much in coverage, but he should be one of the best pass rushers in the league. With those two book ends and Fackrell and Gilbert in the rotation, we should be as good or better than any team in the league at that position group - no need for more in the draft.

Allen didn't impress me much either in the limited amount I saw him.

We could still use another excellent Safety - I'm glad to read that this draft is heavy at that position. Getting one of those guys in the second round would be good.

I want the best ILB available at #12 and probably the best TE available at #30.

I say again, we do NOT need a WR in the draft, absolutely not the first or second day. We also have no need for a D Lineman early in the draft.

We should go for a couple or three O Linemen from the 3rd round on, and I still want to see kicker drafted as a likely replacement for Crosby.

[call_me_ishmael]

I was thinking that you might be able to convert a guy like Chase Winovich into a good OLB. He's undersized a bit for a defensive lineman, but could perhaps be converted to OLB. He seems quick enough.

His athletic numbers test are super similar to Clay Matthews. His combine was freaky deaky. I'd love him in the second and figure out where you play him later. I'm all about stocking up on the best athletes available at each spot.

[mraynrand]

I'd love him in the second and figure out where you play him later. I'm all about stocking up on the best athletes available at each spot.

How do you pick him as the best athlete at his spot when you don't know his spot?

[Deputy Nutz]

These kinds of posts are a breath of fresh air compared to the pervasive irrelevant shit that has been so prevalent lately.

Nutz, didn't we just deal with that need for an edge rusher with the Smith boys? Preston has demonstrated a decent ability to drop in coverage and should be an upgrade pass rusher from anything we've had since Clay was in his prime, and Za'Darius may not be much in coverage, but he should be one of the best pass rushers in the league. With those two book ends and Fackrell and Gilbert in the rotation, we should be as good or better than any team in the league at that position group - no need for more in the draft.

Allen didn't impress me much either in the limited amount I saw him.

We could still use another excellent Safety - I'm glad to read that this draft is heavy at that position. Getting one of those guys in the second round would be good.

I want the best ILB available at #12 and probably the best TE available at #30.

I say again, we do NOT need a WR in the draft, absolutely not the first or second day. We also have no need for a D Lineman early in the draft.

We should go for a couple or three O Linemen from the 3rd round on, and I still want to see kicker drafted as a likely replacement for Crosby.

I think White or Bush will be there at 12. I don't think either one of them is worth the 12th pick, but I pretty much guarantee neither will be there at 30, and I can't put my finger on it where they will go if they don't go at 12. White will probably be off the board before the Packers pick, and Bush will likely go in the top twenty. They are the only two that are worth a first round pick. A few weeks ago Bush probably could have been had at 30 but his stock has gone through the roof.

I am not saying we need a pass rusher or edge player, but the front end of this draft is pretty deep with them. I think there are better players than Allen, but he is the only true 3-4 outside linebacker worthy of a first round pick. The Packers got crazy and signed two free agents at the position, and a safety. Which leads me to believe that they have to look at inside linebacker, offensive line, and they still have a hole at safety.

My best guess at the position of needs for the Packers
1. ILB - Martinez is the only guy you have any confidence in. He is a decent fit in this defense but I think he was exposed when he didn't have an NFL caliber inside linebacker next to him. The Packers have to really consider going after the top 3 guys in the upcoming draft.

2. Offensive line - The right side of the line is a huge question mark for the Packers. They got some help in free agency with Billy Turner. Not sure exactly if he fits in at guard or tackle, but he is a needed addition. The Packers also got some good news with Cole Madison reporting to mini camp. Again not sure exactly what he brings to the table as he was a late round selection last year and has missed a year of football. The Packers could look to draft a right tackle early, with the idea that Bulaga's knees will not hold up and they have someone they can slide in to fill the void he left. They could draft interior linemen to compete at guard with Turner, Taylor, and Patrick.

3. Safety - Signing Amos was a huge addition to the secondary. That leaves one safety spot unfilled. Josh Jones has been a big disappointment and cannot be relied on as a starter, Williams is 52 years old and who knows if he is going to make the full time switch to safety and if it will be worth anyone's time. Josh Jackson was exposed athletically last year and he might have to make the switch to safety. Regardless their is a hole at the position that could be filled in the draft.

4. TE - For 2019 the Packers decided to resign or keep veterans at the position. The Packers could be using them as a safety net and could look to draft a tight end of the future. This draft has a solid top three, but there is depth to this draft at the tight end position

5. Defensive Line - The Packers have two reliable defensive linemen right now in Daniels and Clark. Both are above average NFL caliber defensive linemen. Dean Lowery is a solid if unspectacular rotational piece, and Adams has yet to demonstrate that he can be counted on. Then there are a bunch of camp bodies behind those four guys. There are two dynamic interior linemen at the front end of this draft and then 3 or 4 first round caliber talents and then it slides off a cliff in terms of talent in this draft. Regardless how many linemen are used on the field the Packers need more than 2 proven guys for their rotation.

[Deputy Nutz]

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[texaspackerbacker]

Excellent Post, Nutz.

I hope you mean crazy in a good way regarding the FAs edge rushers.

I think/hope we get one of the Devins at #12.

I've always been leery of taking an O Lineman early. So many times, college quality doesn't translate to the NFL. If they do, they better be damn careful. For the money they're paying Billy Turner, he ought to be at least a marginally decent starter. And there must be some reason they have been so patient with Madison. Hopefully somebody considers him a decent prospect.

I'd like to see us draft a Safety fairly early, but I haven't given up on Jones. Coaching ought to be able to fix the mental aspect, and physically, he should be a good player. I've been saying since early last season that Jackson should make a good Safety also.

And yeah, a TE would be for looking ahead, but with the FAs we signed, we can now afford to do that. I'm thinking they will take a flyer on somebody who is a project - not one of the Iowa guys - at #30.

Because of exactly the way you detail it, I don't think we need a D Lineman early in the draft. It usually takes a while for a D Lineman to reach his potential, and I still think Adams can be somewhere between decent and excellent. The only way we need somebody is if they deem Clark or Daniels or both as injury prone, and I kinda doubt they are.

And I STILL want a Kicker drafted maybe around the 5th round. Crosby gets paid too much and is not as consistent as an ideal Kicker ought to be.

[call_me_ishmael]

How great would it be if Gooter could pull of the same style of heist this year that he did last year. Move down effectively a few spots, gain a 1st round pick the next year.

[pbmax]

How great would it be if Gooter could pull of the same style of heist this year that he did last year. Move down effectively a few spots, gain a 1st round pick the next year.

To get the 30th pick this year, they moved down from 14 to 27. Do you really want to drop 13 spots to 25?

[Deputy Nutz]

I think we lost some value with that trade, although I don't think we lost any particular player that was drafted with the trade.

I think their is a lot of value in the second and third round in this draft. I wouldn't mind trading back to pick up another 3rd or 2nd round pick.

[bobblehead]

These kinds of posts are a breath of fresh air compared to the pervasive irrelevant shit that has been so prevalent lately.

Nutz, didn't we just deal with that need for an edge rusher with the Smith boys? Preston has demonstrated a decent ability to drop in coverage and should be an upgrade pass rusher from anything we've had since Clay was in his prime, and Za'Darius may not be much in coverage, but he should be one of the best pass rushers in the league. With those two book ends and Fackrell and Gilbert in the rotation, we should be as good or better than any team in the league at that position group - no need for more in the draft.

Allen didn't impress me much either in the limited amount I saw him.

We could still use another excellent Safety - I'm glad to read that this draft is heavy at that position. Getting one of those guys in the second round would be good.

I want the best ILB available at #12 and probably the best TE available at #30.

I say again, we do NOT need a WR in the draft, absolutely not the first or second day. We also have no need for a D Lineman early in the draft.

We should go for a couple or three O Linemen from the 3rd round on, and I still want to see kicker drafted as a likely replacement for Crosby.

This draft is loaded at certain positions. WR happens to be one of them. I would think its a certainty that we take a WR somewhere from 30-76. Do I have faith in the youngins? Sure, but you draft the talent where its available. I don't want to reach for an ILB if they rate out as a 4th round pick. The more I'm watching film the more I conclude that we will take a S/WR with 2 of first 4 picks. Hard to project what else is available at other picks, but its seems certain that BPA will be WR/S at 2 of them with S being a need anyway.

Edit: I also have moved Dillard right up to my top tackle in this draft. Wow, what footwork and agility.

[call_me_ishmael]

To get the 30th pick this year, they moved down from 14 to 27. Do you really want to drop 13 spots to 25?

Yeah but they dealt some other picks to trade back up. Does anyone think they lost that trade?

[pbmax]

Yeah but they dealt some other picks to trade back up. Does anyone think they lost that trade?

You can’t guarantee a trade back in to a spot, or if you try it can cost a premium. Maybe not last year but nothing is the same twice.

Where do you want to pick from?

[woodbuck27]

Aj brown too. Brown looks same as metcalf. Same team. Two 21 year olds looking like that.... suspicious!

WR Pospects or Male Strippers?

[woodbuck27]

Our best player is our QB and he needs a serious influx of talent (@ WR and TE) and an OL that will keep him on his feet.