First Round Pick 2019, Rashan Gary

[texaspackerbacker]

Ok, an extension is a new contract hahahahaha. Assuming you got the cap number right also, that $37 million is a lot against the cap. Likely, one of two things will happen; Either his skills will have deteriorated to where it makes sense to cut him, or he will get extended to make the cap number more tolerable. I strongly expect the latter rather than the former. It happened with Favre; It happens with a lot of people. THAT is how you manage the cap - NOT cutting quality players. Did you see the Patriots do that? Hell No.

"signing cheap guys just to get by" was the Ted Thompson way. I hated that. A lot of people did. It failed to maximize having the GOAT QB - until now anyway. The Gutekunst way obviously is different. Some media pukes as well as some negativists in here don't seem to properly appreciate that. This WILL be an excellent, I would say Super year for the Packers - barring injury to Aaron Rodgers, of course. The defense will be extremely better, and the offense will look a lot like it has looked for most of the last decade - Aaron Rodgers doing what he does better than anybody ever has done with improved pass patterns and a few well designed run plays for change of pace, of course. Mark my words, that's what it's gonna be and how it's gonna be.

[bobblehead]

That's a flaming hot take. Normally your football opinions are pretty good. I'm surprised by this one. Watt was pretty freaky deaky at the combine my man.

I was half being sarcastic, but Gary actually is a better athlete. That doesn't mean that he will be anywhere near Watt as a player. I dream he is, but its a longshot by any measure.

[RashanGary]

I was half being sarcastic, but Gary actually is a better athlete. That doesn't mean that he will be anywhere near Watt as a player. I dream he is, but its a longshot by any measure.

No draft pick will ever be expected or predicted to be a HOF player because it’s so rare.

But, Gary is a freak like Watt and dropped in the draft due to low pass rush production like watt. And played his college ball in the run first big 10 like Watt. I’ve brought Watt up to show people that lack of pass rushing production in the big 10 doesn’t predict NFL effectiveness. Gary is a freak, in some ways more so than Watt and in others less so. But similar level freak athlete. So now it’s seeing how he adapts to the NFL. He does have HOF athleticism and it’s starting to look like he has HOF work ethic. Time will tell if he can develop HOF savvy and stay healthy. HOF is a long shot for any player, but Gary does seem to have some of that makeup. And there are enough commonalities with their athleticism and background to talk about how freak athletes are sometimes used differently in the big 10.

[pbmax]

there's a good chance one or both of the smiths will be gone after 3 seasons here (if not before) due to cap reasons. if gary's a stud right away it will facilitate that and save them a ton...and that would be great. they're going to need every penny they can scrape up.
as for rodgers he'll be 36 in dec., his cap hit in 2022 is 37m, he'll be 39 then, his QBR has gone down 3 years in a row, he's become prone to injury. i don't see him signing another contract here. if he does it better be a team friendly one this time because the last one closed the window on any super bowl thoughts.

The PackerRat Salary Cap Worry Index

1 Tank
2 Bretsky
4 Tex
5 Joemailman
6 Patler
8 pbmax
100 gbGary



The cap isn't going to get this team, but the work stoppage might.

[pbmax]

You're being very generous to the Lions, PB. They were about a .500 team under Caldwell, which for them represented dizzying heights of success.

Maybe we underestimate the skill it takes to spend that much money and still be bad.

[pbmax]

an extension is a new contract...and another one with a cap % over 13% would be insane for someone that age. brady last year was 12.4%. and yes the cap can be managed...by cutting high $ talent, signing cheap guys just to get by. you know...stuff the Packers have been doing for a few years until recently.

That was how Ted operated, it wasn't QB salary dependent. There was a big exception as well; he was signing big FAs in 2009 after giving Rodgers a pay increase for being the starter.

And the QB payroll for the Packers are 7th in the League in percentage of cap spent. Behind the Vikings, Lions, Redskins, Patriots, Giants and the Chargers. The Saints at in 8th by .19 percentage points. Its not causing unheard of problems.

I will say that the Patriots might have a better backup QB for their money than the Packers do. And the Saints, of course, are led by the magnificence of Taysom Hill, the Special Team QB.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/quarterback/

[Zool]

Teddy gets no love?

[run pMc]

Gary will not be a starter unless injuries strike. I also think having a high motor is nice, but not necessarily something that will translate to snaps on the field (except maybe for ST's).
I also suspect his shoulder will probably prevent him from playing a high number of snaps and making it through the season.

The college stats say JJ Watt had better production than Gary, although I agree Gary tested off the charts. Running a 40 faster than some safeties/CBs is very impressive for a man that big.

I'm hoping the early hype is legit though. I like the idea of Pettine having a player like Gary that he can move around and scheme free.

[call_me_ishmael]

I was half being sarcastic, but Gary actually is a better athlete. That doesn't mean that he will be anywhere near Watt as a player. I dream he is, but its a longshot by any measure.

Better athlete, maybe, but not a "much better athlete". They're in the same hemisphere of elite athletic traits. Agree on the rest. I am optimistic he's gonna be a really good player though.

[texaspackerbacker]

The PackerRat Salary Cap Worry Index

1 Tank
2 Bretsky
4 Tex
5 Joemailman
6 Patler
8 pbmax
100 gbGary



The cap isn't going to get this team, but the work stoppage might.

You mean I get paid too much for my posting? Gosh, Madtown must have sent the checks to the wrong address.

[pbmax]

You mean I get paid too much for my posting? Gosh, Madtown must have sent the checks to the wrong address.

For salary cap purposes, your job is to worry about people spending their own money.

[call_me_ishmael]

Man, everyday another great detail about this kid comes out. Bugging Z Smith on the weekend day off to watch film together? Those two being on one another hip throughout practice talking technique? I early signs are very encouraging. I really like the steps he is taking to be the best player he can be.

[call_me_ishmael]

Honestly, with how short NFL careers are and with his chance to earn 20Mnin four years if he becomes a stud, I totally get it and I hope he becomes the highest paid defender in the league. Would be amazing. Get it, 52!

[RashanGary]

Man, everyday another great detail about this kid comes out. Bugging Z Smith on the weekend day off to watch film together? Those two being on one another hip throughout practice talking technique? I early signs are very encouraging. I really like the steps he is taking to be the best player he can be.

He’s in an ideal situation. Z, Preston and Fackrell all experienced. Gary is gonna get some really fresh and rested pass rush reps in 2019. He’s already one of the most physically gifted edge players in the NFL. That should only be amplified with him being rested and a situational player. I can foresee Gary overwhelming other teams as a pass rusher. Just straight dominance, in part because he’s being loaded up just right and in the perfect situation for his skillset.

[RashanGary]

This is a true story. I had a dream last night where the Packer forum people and Gute and his staff were eating lunch in a school cafeteria. A Michigan game was being played and Gute was watching. I went up to Gute and described how I’ve seen Gary dominate with speed, outside/inside club, straight bull rush and an inside one arm stab and drive. I said, Gute, am I right, this guy is a dominant NFL force right out of the gate. And Gute looked at me as if to say yes but then said, I can’t say anything, I don’t want quotes in the paper. And then I went back to our table knowing that I am right.