First Round Pick 2019, Rashan Gary

[mraynrand]

Wist and I could have managed a better draft than Gutes did and we don't get paid for it...that says it all.

You guys should run your own team. There's money to be made in football I hear.

[call_me_ishmael]

While I never fully got on the Gary bandwagon I did try to find reason to remain optimistic. I don't see many reasons now.

I too wanted Burns (I actually wanted to trade down and take Burns or Sweat or Dillard.) Burns is lights out and Dillard is simply a WALL!! Plus his run blocking has been good.

Lets face it. I'm almost off the Gutes bandwagon. The season will play out and tell me more of course, but signing Graham to a big deal, trading capital to get Savage, drafting Gary. Trading up for Burks. His moves haven't inspired me so far.

Wist and I could have managed a better draft than Gutes did and we don't get paid for it...that says it all.

I mean, you're a little premature, no? We're about 3 years away from having any idea. I'm optimistic. Is there any doubt the bottom of the roster is more athletic and more competitive than in years past?

[RashanGary]

The concerning thing is I’m seeing the exact same thing on NFL tape that I saw at Michigan. Exact same player. He had so few actual rush opportunities at Michigan I saw the skill and talent that it the drop back was there he’d hit home.

Honestly, so far he hasn’t had many really good rush opportunities in preseason yet either.

But fuck, Gary, it’s getting harder for me to stand by what i see and ignore the lack of production.

My last hope, and it’s there, is that preseason is a bunch of running and basic coverages so quick passes and we’ll get a real taste of Gary in the regular season when masked coverages lead to longer release times. I do still see beast skill and tools if the opportunities are there for pass rushing. And I still haven’t seen many good opportunities. So it’s really in the same spot it’s always been

I just feel like the momentum against him has grown and it’s harder for me to convincingly show the other side.

[George Cumby]

So he sucks again?

(I know, for Fritz, he never stopped sucking.)

[red]

game tape doesn't lie

you watch all the plays of him in college and you see the exact same player you see now. a guy who flashes for about a second, then shuts in down

he gives up on almost every single play, especially if the guy with the ball runs away from him, he will not chase and put himself in a position to make a play

don't believe the bull shit about his lack of production in pre season is because of a change in position. his problem are all attitude.

when a guy is a massive flop at a major school who has a former NFL head coach, then that should be all you need to know

the guy has never in his life played up to his potential, why in the hell does anyone think he'll do it now at the highest level of the game?

of course i hope i'm wrong. but the tape don't lie

[red]

and that tackle last night was just terrible. its like he tried to shove his face all the way up the ball carriers asshole

guys lucky he didn't end his career last night

[Fritz]

So he sucks again?

(I know, for Fritz, he never stopped sucking.)

This line makes me feel slightly uneasy.

[pbmax]

game tape doesn't lie

you watch all the plays of him in college and you see the exact same player you see now. a guy who flashes for about a second, then shuts in down

he gives up on almost every single play, especially if the guy with the ball runs away from him, he will not chase and put himself in a position to make a play

don't believe the bull shit about his lack of production in pre season is because of a change in position. his problem are all attitude.

when a guy is a massive flop at a major school who has a former NFL head coach, then that should be all you need to know

the guy has never in his life played up to his potential, why in the hell does anyone think he'll do it now at the highest level of the game?

of course i hope i'm wrong. but the tape don't lie

Join the fantasy league please.

I think the position thing is really. He has no rush from outside. Have to hope he has one from the inside. His stunt to the middle was freaky fast. They picked him up but someone is going to miss him.

[Smidgeon]

The only thing right now that bugs me has nothing to do with football. It's that his first order of business was to set up a business. Establish yourself as a star player first, then go lay your foundation for your post-football career.

But to disagree with Fritz, I don't think this correlates at all to his football success (or lack thereof). As a top 15 pick, we expect results immediately. Especially since so few of GB's top 15 picks seem to work out. I'm willing to wait it out to see what happens this year though. Many definitive conculsions being drawn up in this thread already though.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This forum is hilarious. In other places I read that Gary was pretty solid in this game. I come here and it's all doom and gloom. I wonder what people on this forum were saying about Kenny Clark at this point of his rookie year.

I didn't see the game. I did see three plays on Twitter where he did what he was supposed to.

Good rush here. Not a bull rush. Used his hands nicely.

https://twitter.com/jackwepfer/statu...82768436219906

Stayed home on the fake and still got in on the tackle.

https://twitter.com/jackwepfer/statu...56715114225665

Got in the throwing lane while dropping into coverage here.

https://twitter.com/jackwepfer/statu...01154644779009

He's not going to be Lawrence Taylor or Derrick Thomas. He doesn't bend well enough, but he'll fit Pettine's defense. I think the Packers will be happy if he turns out to be a 8-10 sack/year guy who is stout against the run. Somebody similar to Za'Darius Smith.

[mraynrand]

Seems like he did some good stuff in that game

Does he seem a bit stiff/too upright on that edge move of his? Saw that in some of the college film.

He's still a young pup too

[pbmax]

This forum is hilarious. In other places I read that Gary was pretty solid in this game. I come here and it's all doom and gloom. I wonder what people on this forum were saying about Kenny Clark at this point of his rookie year.

I didn't see the game. I did see three plays on Twitter where he did what he was supposed to.

Good rush here. Not a bull rush. Used his hands nicely.

https://twitter.com/jackwepfer/statu...82768436219906

Stayed home on the fake and still got in on the tackle.

https://twitter.com/jackwepfer/statu...56715114225665

Got in the throwing lane while dropping into coverage here.

https://twitter.com/jackwepfer/statu...01154644779009

He's not going to be Lawrence Taylor or Derrick Thomas. He doesn't bend well enough, but he'll fit Pettine's defense. I think the Packers will be happy if he turns out to be a 8-10 sack/year guy who is stout against the run. Somebody similar to Za'Darius Smith. BTW, it tooks awhile for Smith to develop.

Well, three plays might be about the extent of it . He started slow and did get better. I wasn't tracking Oakland's lineup but I wonder if he was up against backups at some point?

Best play of the night was: https://twitter.com/jackwepfer/status/1164982768436219906"]https://twitter.com/jackwepfer/status/1164982768436219906

Was second best outside move: https://twitter.com/jackwepfer/status/1164956715114225665"]https://twitter.com/jackwepfer/status/1164956715114225665

Best play against run: https://twitter.com/jackwepfer/status/1164701154644779009"]https://twitter.com/jackwepfer/status/1164701154644779009

He also had two nice bull rushes where he then dipped under the outside shoulder of the Tackle. Problem is he did not get home on any of them. And he still jogs around after plays except for the one he got hurt on. He's got a little of marshmallow in him. But he definitely raised the bar over Fackrell.

And we haven't mentioned his freakishly fast inside stunt that got picked up but looked quite dangerous. We'll see. Like his speed, he has tools, but needs some results.

[wist43]

You guys should run your own team. There's money to be made in football I hear.

I would have picked Burns... it's that simple.

For the sake of our team, I hope he gets it together.

[Bretsky]

It's been great fun convincing everyone Gary is a bust, a la Tony Mandarich or Jamaal Reynolds. And he has yet to play a single down in an NFL regular season game!

I am quite impressed with myself. This might be my greatest Packerrats moment, which could only be exceeded if Gary has a great year and I am somehow able to change the narrative so it ends up that everyone believes that I predicted greatness for Rashan Gary from Day One.

Don't you take all the glory without me ………..lol...…………….I HATED the best OLB at Michigan and his name was "not" Gary.

I'll still be happy to be wrong.

If you are the President of the Anti Gary Club I'm definitely the VP )))

[Bretsky]

My hope for Gary is pretty much gone...

Maybe Burns will bust out too... take the sting out of it a bit, lol...

My guess is Burns will be in the pro bowl pretty quickly, and Gary will be on his 2nd team after his contract expires.

Well, before you flipped, you did say he's be out of the league in 3 years ))