First Round Pick 2019, Rashan Gary

[Upnorth]

I don't remember the Hill street blues theme song, but I should

[George Cumby]

Here ya go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wipUNLLpnI

[bobblehead]

i saw him running off the field one time

decent hustle

Actually he had a really nice hustle play where he came back a long ways to be in on a tackle. My good friend who hates Gary pointed it out. Don't recall the time it happened though, but the hustle was there.

[bobblehead]

Lowry had a GREAT game.

I actually thought Fack looked decent in his time. I noticed him a lot more than Gary.

[pbmax]

I actually thought Fack looked decent in his time. I noticed him a lot more than Gary.

He was banging around on his pass rush. His bull rush is OK. But he still doesn't really have a finishing move. Hemostly gets in the way, which is OK. He did get a QB flush but failed to corral Cousins.

His best play might have been in coverage, middle zone, forcing a ball just a little too high for their TE I believe. He didn't really influence the path directly, but he was deep, where he was supposed to be.

[pbmax]

Pass Rush Win Rates, this is for wist.

[mraynrand]

His best play might have been in coverage, middle zone, forcing a ball just a little too high for their TE I believe. He didn't really influence the path directly, but he was deep, where he was supposed to be.

He dropped into coverage and perfectly screened Rudolph, forcing Cousins to go to his second read, who was totally blanketed. Perfectly executed zone blitz look (I forget who rushed the passer). Fackrell is assignment sure, athletic and pretty versatile. The lack of finish is frustrating.

[yetisnowman]

Pretty telling that in the Rashan Gary thread we are discussing Fackrell's zone coverage skills.

[mraynrand]

Pretty telling that in the Rashan Gary thread we are discussing Fackrell's zone coverage skills.

Because Gary is not an OLB, they need other depth to play well at that position. Gary 1) is a junior coming into the league an 2) hasn't played the position. They are training/grooming him for a possible role as OLB and/or increasing his versatility. Much like Clark, I expect his role to increase as the games go forward, and - if he's not a bust - to show his top talents later this year and increasingly into next year and the year after.

[call_me_ishmael]

Gary is a pass rusher. If he can beat his man better than the other guy, then bring him in and let him do it. The concept of sending him into coverage, etc is just over thinking it at this stage. Let him come in and use that speed/size/thickness to win his one-on-one.

This is such a weird story to me. Dude was by all accounts borderline dominant in pass rushing drills in camp. One of the few to beat Bak. Meanwhile Preston Smith was quiet as a mouse during camp, but looks like a hoss now during the season. It's very unusual to see such a strange turn of events - I can't recall someone flashing so much in camp and showing nothing on the field since Mike Deion Hawkins in 2005ish.

FWIW, he was doubled on at least one pass rush yesterday so that is encouraging.

The early indications are not promising but it is, of course, still very early.

I hate to admit it, but we might have a Mike Neal situation going on here. It wouldn't surprise me to see him switch positions. Either slim down to 255 (he's gotta be 280, just look at his face) or bulk up and play 3 tech.

[mraynrand]

This is such a weird story to me. Dude was by all accounts borderline dominant in pass rushing drills in camp. One of the few to beat Bak. Meanwhile Preston Smith was quiet as a mouse during camp, but looks like a hoss now during the season. It's very unusual to see such a strange turn of events - I can't recall someone flashing so much in camp and showing nothing on the field ...

You may be overthinking it. Did Gary really flash all that much during camp? And what does it matter if the vets (Bacteria and Smith) are just taking it easy, trying not to get hurt. They know when to earn their money - regular season games. Gary's still figuring that out. He's a young pup with a lot of growing to do.

[pbmax]

Preston Smith is just a very large human being moving pretty quickly.

I suspect he'd be good in a melee battle with hand weapons. Just would body people out of the way and knock them over with his swinging arms.

Fackrell, if he figures out how to finish, could be similar. Dr. Zaius Smith is a technician. Preston and Kyler should be laying waste to a fortification.

[mraynrand]

Preston Smith is just a very large human being moving pretty quickly.

I suspect he'd be good in a melee battle with hand weapons. Just would body people out of the way and knock them over with his swinging arms.

Fackrell, if he figures out how to finish, could be similar. Dr. Zaius Smith is a technician. Preston and Kyler should be laying waste to a fortification.

Packer defense kept winning positioning battles yesterday. Minnesota tried to create a strong side on the right against Zaius, but the Packers just switched the Smiths before the snap. Preston is the long run-stopper of the two, and Z is the quicker twitch pass rusher. By moving pieces on the chess board, the Packers create their own mismatches and blow up opposition schemes.

[pbmax]

Packer defense kept winning positioning battles yesterday. Minnesota tried to create a strong side on the right against Zaius, but the Packers just switched the Smiths before the snap. Preston is the long run-stopper of the two, and Z is the quicker twitch pass rusher. By moving pieces on the chess board, the Packers create their own mismatches and blow up opposition schemes.

P Smith isn't bad on the move either. He made two tackles near the sideline while he was being blocked. He just got in the way. That doesn't normally catch people's eye as a "motor", but that guy doesn't care if he is being blocked or not; he is getting to the ball.

One of these days he is going to shoulder into a leaping RB along the sideline and will send him over the medical tent and into the tarp.

[run pMc]

Too early and too small a sample size on Gary. Give him time to develop.
He has gotten some pressure, and has shown some hustle, so he's not been a total dud. I think more time is needed to give a verdict.