2019 OFFICIAL DAY TWO------ROUUND 2/3 NFL DRAFT THREAD

[woodbuck27]

Those available prospects all look cool, but of course the Packers have no fourth round pick at all, so say bye-bye to them.

I'm puzzled by Gutekunst in this draft. To me, Gary is a completely wasted pick. He's the next Justin Harrell. Savage I like, though he'd better pay dividends and quickly, as the Packers gave up a great deal to get him. Maybe the Packers had intel that someone wanted him in the mid-20's, but man, two fourth rounders plus #30? Is he really that much better than Thornhill or Gardner-Thompson? Jenkins looks like a solid pick, so maybe he was just BPA, but with Irv Smith sitting right there, you wonder if he'll be a better TE than Jenkins will a C/G. Stearnberger - I thought the guy was faster than he is. And clearly he's not a blocker, so I'm wondering how much he can stretch a defense.

I mean, I'm okay with all the picks except for Gary, and for the price paid to get Savage, as that's going to cost the team in terms of accruing sheer talent. But as always, we just wait and see. I think I'd like it all better but the Gary pick has really, really soured me. This is a guy who was the #1 recruit in the whole nation coming out of high school, and so when he came in as a freshman, fans were waiting for this disruptive, game-changing mauler. He was not. So in the offseason, we heard all this "well, he was only a freshman. Had to learn the college game. He'll grow physically, too, he's young." So people were ready for this huge breakout year his sophomore year, but once again, it was "meh." Thus by the time we got to his junior year, fans were like, "oh, is he still around?" And he didn't disappoint. He was once again the epitome of mediocrity.

What makes the Packers think he'll be any different now is a question I would love to ask them. Harbaugh and his defensive coaches developed Devin Bush and Chase Winovich (who went to the Patriots, all you doubters who said I was crazy to say he'll be better than Gary), and David Long at corner. But Gary never got better. Ever. He was, and remains, "meh." So what makes the Packers think they can somehow get him to use all that athleticism to become a supreme football player?

FRITZ YOUR A PRIME EXAMPLE OF FANS KNOWING.

Rashan Gary at lest says he is ready and he does believe in himself. In College opposing teams certainly double and even triple teamed him using the TE. Ifyou believe that and given his athleticism will he transition to the NFL and produce?

Today we have just evidence he won't.

Will he walk the talk and finally get there?

Guty needed to use NO. 12 pick for a much more than less Starting caliber pick at NO. 12. NOT LEAVE Packer Nation pulling it's collective hair out, over the question mark's and Rashan Gary.

Today we are certainly justified I deeming him being picked at NO. 12 as SKETCHY.

The same goes with picking Free Safety Prospect Darnell Savage Jr. Guty was obviously impressed with the measurements on these Opening Round Picks. He gave up a to to pick a Safety I ranked as the 4th best but rising.

The Packers have done very well with their 4th Round picks and two gone...yikes! I think as a Poker player the raise was too high.

[Fritz]

At that moment, before the pick, I was excited. I thought they could trade back, or take an offensive tackle who could start for the next ten years, maybe try Sweat or Burns.

Spaulding commented elsewhere that a friend of his thought that Gary might be like Frank Clark. But I think the truer comparison would be Montez Sweat. They're not great people, necessarily, but they are mean, very good pass rushers who just need their attention funneled.

[mraynrand]

Guty needed to use NO. 12 pick for a much more than less Starting caliber pick at NO. 12. NOT LEAVE Packer Nation pulling it's collective hair out, over the question mark's and Rashan Gary.

If I understand you correctly, you are arguing that there was a sure-fire pick at #12 that would leave Packer Nation in total, rapturous agreement and excitement. Although I acknowledge this is a totally unfair straw man argument, I still can't possibly believe that it's true.

[Fritz]

I don't know about Packer nation, but I would have been content with Christian Wilkins. He'd be the heir apparent to Mike Daniels, and would help this year.

[RashanGary]

Chris Lindstrom would have been a sure pick.

[SMBASS]

I'm an Iowa guy and liked Daniels a lot when he was a Hawk but man he talks a lot of shit for never really backing it up on the field. I would have been okay with drafting his future replacement.

[Bretsky]

I don't know about Packer nation, but I would have been content with Christian Wilkins. He'd be the heir apparent to Mike Daniels, and would help this year.

I think once we got to 11 nearly all of PR wanted to trade down. I think those who didn't could have handled Brian Burns or Christian Wilkins and Dillard

[HarveyWallbangers]

Other sites are much more positive than here. That's always the case though. We'll see about Gary. I thought he'd be gone by the time GB drafted, so I didn't expect him to be available.

[SMBASS]

I simply don't think anyone was interested enough in the 12th pick to present a trade down opportunity for GB or I believe they would have taken it. Washington let the board play out and still got Haskins at #15 who they may have wanted all along. Miami traded for Rosen which may have been their plan all along too. I still wouldn't have taken Gary but I think we were stuck with the pick. I always felt that pick #12 was going to leave us in a weird place this year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Who are the top RBs and CBs available for your scheme? I think we need a CB and RB yet. Other than that, the only interest I have is seeing if Easton Stick of NDSU gets drafted.

[pbmax]

I simply don't think anyone was interested enough in the 12th pick to present a trade down opportunity for GB or I believe they would have taken it. Washington let the board play out and still got Haskins at #15 who they may have wanted all along. Miami traded for Rosen which may have been their plan all along too. I still wouldn't have taken Gary but I think we were stuck with the pick. I always felt that pick #12 was going to leave us in a weird place this year.

Agree. The best scenarios for the Pack were for offensive guys to climb but only Hockenson did. While some though 3-4 QBs might go early in a huge run, only 2 went and one of them was often rated third or fourth at the position.

So lots of teams in the teens were probably happy with the board falling as it did. If you wanted a pass rusher, Clellin went early but two other guys were still there. And as you said, perennial team willing be stupid Washington just had to sit tight to get their preferred pick.

[SMBASS]

Too bad we won that meaningless game with the Jets at the end of the year pb. Losing would have left with us with a lot more options at the top of the 1st Round.

[pbmax]

Too bad we won that meaningless game with the Jets at the end of the year pb. Losing would have left with us with a lot more options at the top of the 1st Round.

Yeah. I get not wanting the current players to tank, but Rodgers was easily banged up enough to excuse him for the last few games.

Normally would be against planning to tank unless doing a rebuild. But this was an easy call. Rodgers was getting pummeled.

[Bretsky]

I simply don't think anyone was interested enough in the 12th pick to present a trade down opportunity for GB or I believe they would have taken it. Washington let the board play out and still got Haskins at #15 who they may have wanted all along. Miami traded for Rosen which may have been their plan all along too. I still wouldn't have taken Gary but I think we were stuck with the pick. I always felt that pick #12 was going to leave us in a weird place this year.

ESOXX had the best thoughtful post a few days ago.

If Marcia had did his job and taken control of the Rodgers situation and sat his ass we'd have lost one more game and had the choice of Hockenson, Bush,and Oliver

[SMBASS]

I have a hard time with the idea of, "tanking" or not making every effort to win a game too but given the circumstances it would have been justified to shut Rodgers down. The team was out of the playoffs and in chaos with a lame duck coach at the end of the year anyway so it didn't matter.

You're right Bretsky...Marcia should have taken control of the situation and called it a day since Stubby was already gone.