Fifth Round Pick, Kingsley Keke DL

[Joemailman]

weird pick

especially when a decent ILB was available (mack wilson), and we don't need d-line

Heir-apparent to Mike Daniels. Maybe sooner than you think.

[run pMc]

Heir-apparent to Mike Daniels. Maybe sooner than you think.

Hmm...if this dude starts to pan out, I think we may be watching Mike Daniels's last year in the green-and-gold. I have a feeling he's not terribly popular, either with teammates or coaches, and the organization might not want him back.

Agree.
Silverstein was publicly wondering if Daniels might get traded (presumably before TC, or mid-season a la HHCD). I think he's probably gone. He's the midget of the DLine compared to who Gute is bringing in, and he's pushing 30.

pbmax -- I'm trying to figure out what the difference between NLT and DLT is. Presumably NLT is like a 1 or 2T, while DLT is 3 or 4T?

[pbmax]

Agree.
Silverstein was publicly wondering if Daniels might get traded (presumably before TC, or mid-season a la HHCD). I think he's probably gone. He's the midget of the DLine compared to who Gute is bringing in, and he's pushing 30.

pbmax -- I'm trying to figure out what the difference between NLT and DLT is. Presumably NLT is like a 1 or 2T, while DLT is 3 or 4T?

No idea. Those designations baffled me as well.

Best guesses:
7,8,9 tech - LEO
5,6 - LE
3,4 - DLT
1,2 - NLT
0 - NT
1,2 - NRT
3,4 - DRT
5,6 - RE
7,8,9 - REO

[HarveyWallbangers]

NFL.com

Draft Projection
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[run pMc]

The DL competition will be very interesting. I have to think they'll try Keke at Daniels' and Lowry's spots. Seems most likely to push MontRavenous Adams for the backup 3T spot - IIRC he had 7 sacks this past season.

[pbmax]

Agree.
Silverstein was publicly wondering if Daniels might get traded (presumably before TC, or mid-season a la HHCD). I think he's probably gone. He's the midget of the DLine compared to who Gute is bringing in, and he's pushing 30.

Normally, I would knock this Silverstein take as a continuation of the series, KGB MUST BE CUT NOW THERE IS NO MONEY!, that ran for 4 years because of his cap number. See also Driver, Hawk, Matthews and Graham.

Given that Daniels did not play a lot of the 2 man line before Wilkerson got hurt, I think there could have been something here. Maybe

But Wilkerson isn't back, Pettine has seen a season of Daniels and I don't think anyone sees Lowry, Lancaster or Mt. Adams starting ahead of him, So I am still skeptical. Doesn't mean they re-sign him, just that its not a forgone conclusion that he has been replaced. Absent another injury, I don't see his gone this year.

[Fritz]

Normally, I would knock this Silverstein take as a continuation of the series, KGB MUST BE CUT NOW THERE IS NO MONEY!, that ran for 4 years because of his cap number. See also Driver, Hawk, Matthews and Graham.

Given that Daniels did not play a lot of the 2 man line before Wilkerson got hurt, I think there could have been something here. Maybe

But Wilkerson isn't back, Pettine has seen a season of Daniels and I don't think anyone sees Lowry, Lancaster or Mt. Adams starting ahead of him, So I am still skeptical. Doesn't mean they re-sign him, just that its not a forgone conclusion that he has been replaced. Absent another injury, I don't see his gone this year.

The major premise of the article seemed to be that somehow Daniels was the odd man out because his build doesn't fit the physical "type" Gutekunst is seeking.

Two problems with that: first, the examples he used showed a range - is Daniels really that, that different from Dean Lowry in terms of "length"? Not really, Mr. Alligator Arms is tall but not long, so really, what's the big difference? Hell, Daniels has longer arms. And he's only two inches shorter than Keke. Oh, and Daniels has the same arm length as Kenny Clark, and weighs about the same. It's a sliding scale.

Secondly, you can use those metrics for scouting and drafting, but you have this one additional piece of information on Daniels that might account for something: his actual performance in the NFL. Turns out that he's pretty good. He's not great, but he's pretty good.

Does that mean that Daniels will be re-signed? Who knows? Maybe not. But to try to make a case that they're going to get rid of him because he doesn't fit in their box any more is kinda nutty.

[texaspackerbacker]

Daniels' popularity among some fans and media seems to be trending downward. I wonder whether the leadership of the Packers see it that way. I sure don't.

I hope Keke proves to be a good choice, but I don't have as positive an impression of him as some people. I tend to doubt he beats out Daniels, or Lowery or Adams either. It's entirely possible, though, that all four of them plus, of course, Clark, make the team.

Daniels signed a 4 year extension in December 2015. He is not a free agent, and I can't see him just being cut or traded in a giveaway type trade. Whether he will be extended again or re-signed after next season is a different question, and whether or not he has a nice bounce back season this year will have a lot to do with it.

[gbgary]

daniels is gone after this year...maybe sooner if they trade him. they need the cap space.

[MadScientist]

A player's popularity is primarily determined by the quality of his play, with some modifiers for behavior. Daniels is a FA after this season, so the Packers need to be prepared to move on. I'm sure the Packers brass hope Keke is part of the succession plan, with the luxury of having some time to develop the skills he needs, while contributing on ST. Daniels is 30 this year, so regardless of anything else, the odds are not high on getting another contract here.

[pbmax]

daniels is gone after this year...maybe sooner if they trade him. they need the cap space.

They don't need the space this year.

[Joemailman]

daniels is gone after this year...maybe sooner if they trade him. they need the cap space.

I don't see Daniels going anywhere this year unless like with HHCD they decide to get rid of a guy who doesn't want to be here. I don't know if Daniels is the type who would become a malcontent if he sees reduced playing time (which could happen). Probably not as long as the team is winning.