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  • #31
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...r-all-32-teams

    NFC North

    Chicago Bears
    Draft pick: Iowa State RB David Montgomery; Georgia WR Riley Ridley (No. 126); Kansas State CB Duke Shelley (No. 205); Florida Atlantic RB Kerrith White (No. 222); Valdosta State CB Stephen Denmark (No. 238)
    Day 1 grade: A
    Day 2 grade: A-
    Day 3 grade: A
    Overall grade: A
    Draft analysis: Khalil Mack was 100 percent worthy of the Bears' interest. He played lights-out in 2018 and I suspect will be a force over the next few seasons, barring injury (which was a bit of a concern last year). There's no question he was worth giving up their 2019 first- and sixth-round picks, as well as the 2020 third-round pick as a sweetener. And parting with a 2020 first-round pick and swapping second-round picks with the Raiders next year may only be a minimal loss for the Bears if they are a playoff team and Oakland does not greatly exceed its win total from last season.

    When they were finally on the clock Friday night (they dealt away their second-rounder this year in a draft day trade last year to land WR Anthony Miller), the Bears found their new running back in Montgomery, who can carry a heavy workload. They had to give up a 2020 fourth-round pick as part of the deal, though.

    Getting Ridley in the fourth round was an absolute steal. I thought he was a second-round value. Shelley could be a nice slot corner. He hid behind Devin Singletary at FAU, but the Bears thought enough of White to pair him with Montgomery at RB in their draft class.

    Detroit Lions
    Draft picks: Iowa TE T.J. Hockenson (No. 8 overall); Hawaii LB Jahlani Tavai (No. 43); Boston College DB Will Harris (No. 81); Clemson DE Austin Bryant (No. 117); Penn State CB Amani Oruwariye (No. 146); Old Dominion WR Travis Fulgham (No. 184); Maryland RB Ty Johnson (No. 186); Georgia TE Isaac Nauta (No. 224); Arizona DT P.J. Johnson (No. 229)
    Day 1 grade: B+
    Day 2 grade: B-
    Day 3 grade: A
    Overall grade: B
    Draft analysis: I love Hockenson as a two-way tight end prospect. He will be a strong target for Matthew Stafford and a nice blocker in the run game. But he wasn't the top player available: it was defensive tackle Ed Oliver. Time will tell which way they should have gone with that pick.

    Tavai was picked earlier than expected, much like Kyle Van Noy was a few years ago, though NFL scouts believe Tavai can become a starter. The Van Noy pick didn't work out for the Lions, but hopefully this one will. Trading up for Harris helped the Lions meet a need at safety and he was an appropriate value.

    Even with Trey Flowers in the fold, adding another pass rusher in Bryant made a lot of sense. Getting a big corner was a must, so I'm on board with the Oruwariye pick. The Lions needed the depth they added at running back and receiver, too -- and I can't fault them for taking Nauta in the seventh to join Hockenson. Johnson could eventually replace Damon Harrison, who's signed through 2020.

    Green Bay Packers
    Draft picks: Michigan OLB Rashan Gary (No. 12 overall); Maryland S Darnell Savage (No. 21 overall); Texas A&M OG Elgton Jenkins (No. 44); Texas A&M TE Jace Sternberger (No. 75); Texas A&M DE Kingsley Keke (No. 150); Toledo CB Ka'dar Hollman (No. 185); Notre Dame RB Dexter Williams (No. 194); TCU LB Ty Summers (No. 226)
    Day 1 grade: A
    Day 2 grade: A
    Day 3 grade: A
    Overall grade: A
    Draft analysis: Gary's production wasn't what you would have liked at Michigan and his off-field business interest turned off some teams. However, he has great athletic upside as a defender in the Packers' scheme. Announced as a linebacker at the draft on Thursday, Gary can play outside or inside and gives consistent full effort. Green Bay had an extra first-round pick from a 2018 draft-day trade with New Orleans (No. 30 overall). The Packers traded up, though, and selected Savage, who fills an immediate need at safety. He will be an effective nickel defender and will pop ball-carriers whenever possible.

    Green Bay finally used an early pick on the offensive line, picking up Jenkins, a strong and long player who played every O-line position for the Bulldogs. Head coach Matt LaFleur needed another tight end, and Sternberger turned out to be a nice value as a receiving threat in the mid-third round.

    The Packers got a steal in Keke, who could become a starter. Hollman was a former walk-on who starred for Toledo. Depth at running back was a big need for Green Bay, so Williams will get a shot to play early.

    Minnesota Vikings
    Draft picks: N.C. State C Garrett Bradbury (No. 18 overall); Alabama TE Irv Smith (No. 50); Boise State RB Alexander Mattison (No. 102); Oklahoma OG Dru Samia (No. 114); USC LB Cameron Smith (No. 162); Arkansas DT Armon Watts (No. 190); Wyoming S Marcus Epps (No, 191); Elon OT Oli Udoh (No. 193); Texas CB Kris Boyd (No. 217); Oregon WR Dillon Mitchell (No. 239); Colorado State WR Olabisi Johnson (No, 247); Air Force LS Austin Cutting (No. 250)
    Day 1 grade: A
    Day 2 grade: A
    Day 3 grade: B+
    Overall grade: A
    Draft analysis: Bradbury is athletic and tough, considered one of the best center prospects to be picked in some time. Minnesota's offensive line was in dire need of improvement so this selection will make quarterback Kirk Cousins and running back Dalvin Cook extremely happy.

    Smith is a move tight end who was a nice value. He could replace Kyle Rudolph as a receiver and throw his body around as a blocker. Minnesota needs to have a solid backup at running back due to durability concerns with Dalvin Cook, and Mattison is a durable power back who can handle those duties.

    Epps is an athletic safety who likes to hit, something the Vikings needed to add in this draft. Watts is a disruptive guy inside who is just scratching the surface of his potential. They hit the OL again with Udoh, a good value in the sixth round. The Spielman residence should be harmonious with a cornerback not being picked until Round 6 (Boyd was also a good value). Johnson was overshadowed by Preston Williams at Colorado State, but he has a chance to make the Vikings' roster.
    Gutey gets Straight A's!!!
    I can't run no more
    With that lawless crowd
    While the killers in high places
    Say their prayers out loud
    But they've summoned, they've summoned up
    A thundercloud
    They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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    • #32
      ^ Grade inflation
      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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      • #33
        None of them are lower than a B-. This guy must grade on a curve.
        Originally posted by 3irty1
        This is museum quality stupidity.

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        • #34
          Packers with the 3rd most athletic draft class according to RAS. https://packerswire.usatoday.com/201...in-2019-draft/

          Only Sternberger rated low. He ran rather poorly at the Combine. (4.75)
          I can't run no more
          With that lawless crowd
          While the killers in high places
          Say their prayers out loud
          But they've summoned, they've summoned up
          A thundercloud
          They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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          • #35
            Just stopping by to say I love this draft, I could see every player making the 53 man roster. I wasn't thrilled with the trade to move up but picking great value in day 3 made up for it.

            Gary has potential to be one of the best in the league if everything starts to click and he plays with a high motor so I like his chances. Clay Matthews also didn't have the greatest sack numbers in college but turned out to be alright.

            Savage pick I didn't love at first but it grew on me. I thought we could have grabbed him at 30 but I'm hearing Raiders and Colts were very high on him so props for the staff for not taking a chance and going after their guy. Haven't had a 4.3 speed guy at safety since Collins.

            I was so happy we went OL over WR in the 2nd round. Jenkins should be an automatic starter for us. Think he has a chance to play LG which will move Taylor to RG where I believe he's better suited. Protecting Rodgers is key and also improves our run blocking.

            While we didn't draft a WR I think we found our slot guy in Sternberger. Excellent hands and route runner and still has room to grow. I think his ceiling can be Kelce level, he was rated the best pass catching TE in college last season.

            Keke was a steal in the 5th round, this guy will be a starter for us in a few years. Think this might be Mike Daniels last season in GB.

            Hollman is another guy who I think can be a steal, reminds me a lot like Tramon Williams. Former walk on in college who plays with a chip on his shoulder, 4.3 speed doesn't hurt either.

            Dexter Williams is already a better runner than Jamaal, saw this guy run all over my Hokies this season including a 97 yard TD run. He has some work to do with pass blocking but another great value pick late in the draft.

            Summers is an athletic LB but struggles in coverage, don't see him ever being a starter but will provide good depth and could be a special teams ace for us.

            Hope you guys are doing well, see you next year! :P

            GO PACK GO!

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            • #36
              Kool-Aid Drinker! Pretty much agree with everything you said. My only wish for something different would have been that Gutey find a way to trade down 5-6 spots in the 1st round. Picking up a 3rd round pick would have made giving up the 2 4th round picks less painful.
              I can't run no more
              With that lawless crowd
              While the killers in high places
              Say their prayers out loud
              But they've summoned, they've summoned up
              A thundercloud
              They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                Packers with the 3rd most athletic draft class according to RAS. https://packerswire.usatoday.com/201...in-2019-draft/

                Only Sternberger rated low. He ran rather poorly at the Combine. (4.75)


                Not a surprise; Gootie seems to value the athlete often more than the production. And maybe that is right. Often we've taken ssmash mouth football players w/o upside that turn to JAGs

                Maybe if our coaching staff is phenominal we can turn underachievers who are great athletes into Pro Bowlers
                TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Brandon494 View Post
                  Just stopping by to say I love this draft, I could see every player making the 53 man roster. I wasn't thrilled with the trade to move up but picking great value in day 3 made up for it.

                  Gary has potential to be one of the best in the league if everything starts to click and he plays with a high motor so I like his chances. Clay Matthews also didn't have the greatest sack numbers in college but turned out to be alright.

                  Savage pick I didn't love at first but it grew on me. I thought we could have grabbed him at 30 but I'm hearing Raiders and Colts were very high on him so props for the staff for not taking a chance and going after their guy. Haven't had a 4.3 speed guy at safety since Collins.

                  I was so happy we went OL over WR in the 2nd round. Jenkins should be an automatic starter for us. Think he has a chance to play LG which will move Taylor to RG where I believe he's better suited. Protecting Rodgers is key and also improves our run blocking.

                  While we didn't draft a WR I think we found our slot guy in Sternberger. Excellent hands and route runner and still has room to grow. I think his ceiling can be Kelce level, he was rated the best pass catching TE in college last season.

                  Keke was a steal in the 5th round, this guy will be a starter for us in a few years. Think this might be Mike Daniels last season in GB.

                  Hollman is another guy who I think can be a steal, reminds me a lot like Tramon Williams. Former walk on in college who plays with a chip on his shoulder, 4.3 speed doesn't hurt either.

                  Dexter Williams is already a better runner than Jamaal, saw this guy run all over my Hokies this season including a 97 yard TD run. He has some work to do with pass blocking but another great value pick late in the draft.

                  Summers is an athletic LB but struggles in coverage, don't see him ever being a starter but will provide good depth and could be a special teams ace for us.

                  Hope you guys are doing well, see you next year! :P

                  GO PACK GO!


                  Good or bad I tend to stick to my guns. I'd probably give the draft a grade of B- or C+. I didn't want Gary before the draft and I'm not going to change my view from Gootie's sugarcoating or trying to talk myself into liking him but GB got him. I'll be happy if Gary turns into a multi Pro Bowler and would love to be wrong.

                  When 7-10 came off the board their were two clear calls IMO. Cincy really wanted Devin White or Devin Bush. One other obvious move I would have really tried was to trade from 12 to 10. Maybe you give up a 4th and 6th or a 3rd to do that. Or trade down and get an extra 3rd. The giving up the two fourths wouldn't be so painful.

                  ESPN reported Pittsburg really wanted Bush but Denver really didn't want to move down that far so it was hard for Pitt to seal the deal. Their defense hasn't been the same since Ryan Shazier had the unfortunate thing occur. With Bush they have found there guy IMO

                  I do love Savage, and I don't think he was falling to 30. Completely believe Goot there. But giving up two fourths to get the top safety instead of the #3 safety when they have so many holes was too much IMO. But I hope I'm wrong and while I don't agree with the deal I have Gute credit for having the balls to make the deal and move up and get him.

                  I'm fine with the second round pick and like he 3rd round pick. Getting a young TE with some upside was a necessity.

                  Losing both 4th rounders sucked

                  I'm fine with Keke in round five but I'd have preferred an ILB.

                  The rest are athletic guys we need to coach up.

                  Time will tell.
                  TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                  • #39
                    I wasn't happy with the trade up in round 1, until I heard it cost us the two 4s. Made it easier to swallow. Savage may end up as the best of the bunch. I feel that's actually the most likely outcome.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
                      Not a surprise; Gootie seems to value the athlete often more than the production. And maybe that is right. Often we've taken ssmash mouth football players w/o upside that turn to JAGs
                      Do you seriously believe that the guy who admitted people have to remind him to take football players and not athletes was drafting smash mouth players?
                      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                      • #41
                        If you are attaching a letter grade to this draft I hope it's just for fun, because otherwise it is meaningless. We will know more when the season start and these guys actually play real snaps. We can bitch and moan about this guy or that guy, but there have been draft picks that I have loved that didn't turn out. Aaron Rouse S out of Virginia Tech, I thought was the steal of the draft a decade ago, and the guy simply couldn't play football in the NFL.

                        Tex, I am not sure about your first line in the starting paragraph in this thread. I don't get paid to review these players and I don't have the time to sit and watch film on everyone of them. I do it for fun and to divert my attention. It's about the only time of the year that I can get on here and contribute. I am too busy actually coaching football in the fall to even watch entire football games much less post about them on here. Your negative swipes at people that try their best to contribute to this place are unneeded and disrespectful.

                        I don't see a lot to be pessimistic about in regards to this draft for the Packers, but at the same time I am not overly optimistic either. The have to play in order to figure out how good this draft was. So drink your kool aide and spit your venom about this draft in reality it doesn't matter until September.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                          Do you seriously believe that the guy who admitted people have to remind him to take football players and not athletes was drafting smash mouth players?
                          There were guys like Ricky Elmore, Jerron McMillian, Carl Bradford and arguably Matt Ryan and Vince Biegel who would fit that description. I recall Bretsky was always opposed to the Carl Bradford selection.
                          I can't run no more
                          With that lawless crowd
                          While the killers in high places
                          Say their prayers out loud
                          But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                          A thundercloud
                          They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                          • #43
                            On the other side, you could argue that those were later-round picks. But then again, isn't the later round where you take a flyer on athleticism?

                            Hell, I don't know. I'm just surprised Ted crapped on his own thread. But Ras is a big boy; he won't be scared off by some crabby old bastard carping at him.
                            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                            KYPack

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                              There were guys like Ricky Elmore, Jerron McMillian, Carl Bradford and arguably Matt Ryan and Vince Biegel who would fit that description. I recall Bretsky was always opposed to the Carl Bradford selection.
                              McMillan and Bradford had numbers, didn't they. Pretty sure about McMillan, he ran some absurd number in his pro day if I recall correctly.

                              Biegel was just a shade below Watt and wasn't a stretch in the 4th. Bradford almost the size but not the experience to be outside.

                              I would estimate only Jake Ryan would fit the banger type description.
                              Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                                McMillan and Bradford had numbers, didn't they. Pretty sure about McMillan, he ran some absurd number in his pro day if I recall correctly.

                                Biegel was just a shade below Watt and wasn't a stretch in the 4th. Bradford almost the size but not the experience to be outside.

                                I would estimate only Jake Ryan would fit the banger type description.
                                Bradford may have had certain numbers, but there was concern about whether his lack of length would hurt him at OLB. It did, as OT's simply engulfed him.
                                I can't run no more
                                With that lawless crowd
                                While the killers in high places
                                Say their prayers out loud
                                But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                                A thundercloud
                                They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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