Silverstein: Critics Go After Packers New Structure

[RashanGary]

Murphy's qualifications are next to nothing as compared to Ron Wolf. Ditto for Bob Harlan.

Maybe you hate Ron Wolf because you've become the great cheerleader of Marcia Murphy and Wolf was a NFL personal expert who had success in a system opposite to what we now have.interview. Or maybe you think Ron Wolf could be a source for well thought out article questioning Marcia.

Most teams have a NFL football expert, such as Ron Wolf ot Ted Thompson overseeing and leading all operations. It's sensible and has proven to work.

The Dallas Cowboys buck that system with Jerry Jones. Green Bay is now following Jerry Jones.

I don’t respect the way wolf has manipulated the media over the years, even after he left. That’s why he annoys me. He seems to use the media to pressure the Packers to promote his son. I’m impressed with Murphy for standing up to both McCarthys aggressive pressures and Wolfs sneaky pressure.

I understand people’s comparisons of Murphy to jerry Jones and the attempts to equate the structure change to micro managing. I disagree, but I do see how a person might see that.

Gute is doing what Gute does best. He looks invigorated and excited and so do his scouts.
Lafleur is coaching offense (qualified)
Pettine is coaching defense (qualified)
Ball is doing contracts and non roster ancillary football operations
Murphy is administrating all aspects of the Packers and settles disputes between high ranking officials

The whole thing looks like success to me, to be honest. I think you guys have it flat out misread. And I think winning will quiet all of this very shortly.

It’s a good setup with qualified people in all of the right spots. Lafleur is iffy to me but I’m curious to see it play out. Lots of different styles of personality win in the NFL

[RashanGary]

1. Murphy stood up to McCarthys attempts to dominate the organization.
2. He stood up to Ron Wolfs weird manipulation through the media the last couple years as he tried to seemingly pressure the Packers to give authority to his son.
3. He stood up to Favre when Favre tried to strong arm the Packers through the media.

He made the tough decision to relieve Thompson of his duty even though Thompson won a SB and was so dedicated and loyal.

He got downright bold by changing the structure of football operations to match his current administration talent.

The Packers are second winningest team of last 12 years. Cant say I’m anything but impressed with the job Murphy is doing, to be honest.

Emotion aside, this assertion is a joke. I can’t take it seriously and look forward to the Packers quieting this crowd like they have with the sad losers at soldier field the last 25 years.

[pbmax]

So a CEO of a company (Murphy) gets input from his COO (Gutekunst) and his CFO (Ball) before making a decision he feels is in the best interest of the company. Crazy!

lol whodathunkit?

Well, if any adjacent background can be GM, why didn't having a non-scout GM at tip of the hierarchy work in the 1970s and 1980s? I mean I am sure Bart and Forrest and Dan took counsel from the scouts and then made their own decision in the best interests of the Packers.

I mean, GM or GE usually hire their President and CEO straight from car clubs, right?

Recording labels routinely hire former professional musicians who now teach music at a local university, right?

[pbmax]

First off the writer refuted any claims that any of his sources came from the Browns. Gutey should be dialed in, but he's no more dialed in than any other GM in the game.

But it's pretty pathetic Gootie thought he was interviewing for job responsibilities different that those offered to him. And it should not surprise anybody if he had to step back and really decide if he wants to be a part of this.

And do know (cause I don't) if Marcia received the approval of the executive committee ahead of switching all of these authorities.

Boy I sure am glad he has all this experience. After all he was an AD in college

I suspect Wolf got in there somehow, the source (could be Wolf himself) doesn't have to be currently working for the Browns to be backing Wolf or Son of Wolf.

[pbmax]

Murphy's qualifications are next to nothing as compared to Ron Wolf. Ditto for Bob Harlan.

Maybe you hate Ron Wolf because you've become the great cheerleader of Marcia Murphy and Wolf was a NFL personal expert who had success in a system opposite to what we now have.interview. Or maybe you think Ron Wolf could be a source for well thought out article questioning Marcia.

Most teams have a NFL football expert, such as Ron Wolf ot Ted Thompson overseeing and leading all operations. It's sensible and has proven to work.

The Dallas Cowboys buck that system with Jerry Jones. Green Bay is now following Jerry Jones.

The Jones thing worries me, but so does following the Steelers given their current shambolic state.

Murphy v Harlan: Murphy does have a track record in sports business admin; it was all in college, but still. He was 15 or so years in that career when he got poached. For the business side, I get the argument and his results so far seem good. The business environment has been good and Murphy has kept the Packers financially competitive, new revenue on the horizon and it has kept the rainy day fund growing.

But Harlan did not install himself at the top of the silos after he realized that splitting the coach and GM job between two people wasn't going to work.

That is the part I don't get. Murphy said, and I believe, that personnel and coaching weren't talking effectively, so he was going to ensure communication. But he has done so in a manner that makes him the final arbiter and removes those at the top from being reponsible for all their decisions.

[pbmax]

Maybe they'll have regular meetings to work out these issues.

"Flower, you need this guy to win?" "Yup" "Gute, you agree." "Yup" "Ball, can we give him as much as he wants?" "No, we gotta bring him down 5 mil on his SB and 10 on guaranteed $$$." "OK, give that a shot." "You guys OK if we let him go if he doesn't budge?" "Yup. Yup. Yup." "How about halfway? "That'll work boss." "Great. Gosh I like this new system. I was sure we'd be sabotaging each other by now." "Have faith, Bossman."

If they make the mistake of tape recording their meetings, I look forward to the book.

However with the Patriots in the League, I would recommend the cone of silence first.

The arrangement could work, they can all pull in the same direction. But there will always be disagreements and agendas. And Ball had the GM spot before the now fired coach threw a fit. If I was suspicious by nature, that would be the impetus behind Murphy playing referee.

[mraynrand]

Well, if any adjacent background can be GM, why didn't having a non-scout GM at tip of the hierarchy work in the 1970s and 1980s? I mean I am sure Bart and Forrest and Dan took counsel from the scouts and then made their own decision in the best interests of the Packers.

I mean, GM or GE usually hire their President and CEO straight from car clubs, right?

Recording labels routinely hire former professional musicians who now teach music at a local university, right?

Murphy is not the GM.

And when Harlan was at the helm, I'm sure he exercised zero oversight of Wolf and just nodded his head to everything he did and said, including "Fart in the Wind."

[pbmax]

I don’t respect the way wolf has manipulated the media over the years, even after he left. That’s why he annoys me. He seems to use the media to pressure the

This I agree with. Wolf has been politicking for his son for quite a while and this is how he plays.

There is a reason he wanted the press to like him. So Murphy's complaint that this is all due to someone's beef that things did not work out for them more than likely has some truth to it.

[pbmax]

Murphy is not the GM.

And when Harlan was at the helm, I'm sure he exercised zero oversight of Wolf and just nodded his head to everything he did and said, including "Fart in the Wind."

But Murphy will have to play GM at some point when he doesn't get consensus. I think he did say Gute gets final word in roster decisions even if there are disputes, I hope that is true as a practical matter.

Actually, I am pretty sure Harlan was a rubber stamp on players and moves for Wolf, literally. They certainly haven't told any stories otherwise. And I agree that Wolf could have used more oversight. I still don't know why he quit other that to get out while the getting was good.

McCarthy needed to be challenged more too. But I am not sure Murphy at the top helps matters. If setup as he has indicated, he is basically an arbitration panel.

[mraynrand]

But Murphy will have to play GM at some point when he doesn't get consensus.

Of course - at some point he will have to mediate disagreements, much like Harlan did when he had to separate Sherman from his two duties. I think we may disagree in how much Murphy pushes his nose in the tent. I suspect he will do less tinkering and more mediation.

[pbmax]

Of course - at some point he will have to mediate disagreements, much like Harlan did when he had to separate Sherman from his two duties. I think we may disagree in how much Murphy pushes his nose in the tent. I suspect he will do less tinkering and more mediation.

I hope that is the case.

[pbmax]

Let's just face facts.

[RashanGary]

If it goes to hell, imma tip my hat to you guys who saw it coming and just admit I was wrong. Same way I was wrong about Clay Matthews being a one year starter with 5 sacks and no production, I’ll admit I was dead wrong with murphy.

It’s just not what I’m seeing though.

[pbmax]

The problem is that it won't be obvious for five years. This isn't quite Washington yet.

[RashanGary]

The problem is that it won't be obvious for five years. This isn't quite Washington yet.

I’ll be around and I’ll remember how wrong I was.