The 2019 NFC NORTH Title?

[Joemailman]

If the offense is working (receivers getting open) I don't see a problem. Last year was a result of Rodgers losing faith in the offense and of having 2 rookie WR's in the lineup. I believe I read that there will be a pass/run option on most plays. That's fine. If Rodgers just starts calling his own play though, heads could claah.

[pbmax]

If the offense is working (receivers getting open) I don't see a problem. Last year was a result of Rodgers losing faith in the offense and of having 2 rookie WR's in the lineup. I believe I read that there will be a pass/run option on most plays. That's fine. If Rodgers just starts calling his own play though, heads could claah.

There was disagreement about what routes to run among the receivers when Rodgers called an adjustment from the play. That will hurt the offense as everyone is learning this. Rodgers acknowledged it when he said he is running it straight during practice and camp, no improv, no extended offense.

The longer he carries through with that, the faster the offense will gel. I m not going to get upset if he goes extended offense after blown pass pro or receivers not actually open short.

[gbgary]

If LaFleur has an ego fit and forces change, then the Packers will suffer extremely. Until proven different, though, I think LaFleur will have the good sense to go with what works. This is mostly just media pukes trying to stir up trouble where none exists.

MLF was brought in specifically to change things. the ego fit starting now is rodgers' own. MLF should stick to his guns and the front office should back him fully. during ota's and camp this offense needs to be run without any improv so everyone will know their jobs, what's expected, and how the O works. street ball has no place here...and really no place at all. it's gotten the Packers nowhere and only got rodgers hurt. this isn't media driven either. it's rodgers driven. we all know he takes his shots through the press. this is just his latest...and i'm not the least bit surprised. not buying-in was my number one concern and we're already seeing it.

[MadScientist]

MLF was brought in specifically to change things. the ego fit starting now is rodgers' own. MLF should stick to his guns and the front office should back him fully. during the ota's and camp this offense needs to be run without any improv so everyone will knows their jobs, what's expected, and how the O works. street ball has no place here...and really no place at all. it's gotten the Packers nowhere and only got rodgers hurt. this isn't media driven either. it's rodgers driven. we all know he takes his shots through the press. this is just his latest...and i'm not the least bit surprised. not buying-in was my number one concern and we're already seeing it.

I don't think we are really seeing a not buying in going on here. Rodgers has said that he is forcing himself to not do any improv during OTC and camp to get a body memory of the offense. He has only stated that when plays go to hell during games, he will try to escape pressure and make plays. That sounds like what he should be doing. If MLF has designed a scheme to get receivers open and Rodgers hits them when things don't break down, it will bring opportunities to improvise when protection breaks down or coverage is initially perfect.

[pbmax]

MLF should stick to his guns and the front office should back him fully.

There is a point at which sticking to your guns is just going to get you fired. My way or the highway on your playbook is dumb, this isn't a 5 year rebuild job. You need to work with what you have. Sometimes that is less talent. Sometimes that is so much talent it has become sentient.

during the ota's and camp this offense needs to be run without any improv so everyone will knows their jobs, what's expected, and how the O works. street ball has no place here...

He has already said that is what he is doing. Explicitly said he is doing exactly this.

and really no place at all. it's gotten the Packers nowhere and only got rodgers hurt.

Sticking within the offense cost the team a 2014 Super Bowl berth. Using Rodgers offense got them to a Championship Game in 2016 that they had no business being in. Rodgers has been better than the McCarthy offense since 2014. He's had one poor year as a result. But yes, it does increase his risk of injury.

[gbgary]

I don't think we are really seeing a not buying in going on here. Rodgers has said that he is forcing himself to not do any improv during OTC and camp to get a body memory of the offense. He has only stated that when plays go to hell during games, he will try to escape pressure and make plays. That sounds like what he should be doing. If MLF has designed a scheme to get receivers open and Rodgers hits them when things don't break down, it will bring opportunities to improvise when protection breaks down or coverage is initially perfect.

rodgers' latest comments are about when he's at the LOS...before the snap. not when things break down. all bets are off when the play breaks down...that's understandable. what i don't want is straying from plan. i don't want him passing up open guys, holding the ball, just to have the play break down and go into scramble mode.

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[pbmax]

rodgers' latest comments are about when he's at the LOS...before the snap. not when things break down. all bets are off when the play breaks down...that's understandable. what i don't want is straying from plan. i don't want him passing up open guys, holding the ball, just to have the play break down and go into scramble mode.

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You are still describing two different things. Either he is changing the play at the LOS or he could go to the extended offense. One isn't necessarily the other.

[pbmax]

Speaking of dumb, headstrong coaches refusing to use what talent they have, the Packers will be practicing with the Texans and Bill O'Brien twice this year.

[gbgary]

You are still describing two different things. Either he is changing the play at the LOS or he could go to the extended offense. One isn't necessarily the other.

yes i know. i really don't want to see him doing either one on purpose.

"We're running a system I first picked up while working with Kyle (Shanahan) in Houston a decade ago, and we've never really had a quarterback who's had complete freedom to change plays at the line because that's not really the way the offense is set up. But, I mean, this is Aaron Rodgers. He's had a lot of freedom to make those calls, and deservedly so. Now, how do we reconcile that, and get to a place where we put him in the best position to succeed?"

LaFleur's system is designed to have a built-in "answer" to whatever look the defense gives, and because of the amount of pre-snap movement, the coach is concerned that too much freedom under center could "slow our guys down."

there's no need to change the play and, if everyone's doing their job successfully, there's no need to hold the ball. i know things go wrong but i don't want to see the system compromised on purpose the way he did with MM. if goff can do it to great success, then rodgers should blow people away with it.

[pbmax]

yes i know. i really don't want to see him doing either one on purpose.


there's no need to change the play and, if everyone's doing their job successfully, there's no need to hold the ball. i know things go wrong but i don't want to see the system compromised on purpose the way he did with MM. if goff can do it to great success, then rodgers should blow people away with it.

Gary, Mike McCarthy would tell you the same thing. Coaches don't build a playbook thinking, "this fucking play doesn't have a chance". People have figured out offenses before. Especially since this will be the third version of this offense running and they have a year of film of LaFleur running it in Tennessee.

If what LaFleur thinks is true, its his job to get Rodgers to see it and Rodgers job to trust it at least in the beginning. But there will still be times the defense has you dead to rights.

[gbgary]

here's the interview. it's a good read.

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[Radagast]

People please, pre-season has not even begun yet and the sky is not falling. LaFleur is bringing a different offensive system to GB. It should fit all concerned very well. However it is not instant magic and will require some time to get all of the chemistry working together. Don't get upset if the Packers drop a few early games as everyone gets in sync.

In addition, I don't expect to see anyone going rogue and trying to save the day. If your nervous, and some of you seem to be, go to YOUTube or another site and watch the LA Rams play using the system that is being installed with the Packers. Every play is not a TD, but it is a solid system that works well. Williams nor Adams will not be a healthy Todd Gurley, yet they should perform well.

The main thing here is that great patience will be needed, at least until week 5 or 6 as the offense becomes a more confident unit.

Patience

[texaspackerbacker]

This is probably much ado about nothing. LaFleur undoubtedly knows how to coach and is NOT gonna come in and screw things up. He damn well shouldn't. That is NOT what he was brought in for IMO. He was brought in to fine tune an offense that is (and should be) built around Aaron Rodgers and his magnificent ability to adjust things on the fly as needed. A little more creativity in pass patterns, training young receivers to get open on extended plays, etc.

I seriously doubt there is even any controversy among Packers players and coaches - this is purely trouble stirred up by media pukes and bought into by some worry wort fans.

[pbmax]

"I guess from what you consider the true standard of 'audibles,' you're right -- we have not had that," LaFleur said last Tuesday during a second conversation in his office. "Because, you know, we pride ourselves on having concepts that have answers for whatever. Now, it might not always be the best answer, but you have an answer. But when there are plays that are called that have maybe not a very good answer, we typically call two plays and we run one or the other, based upon the look that the defense is giving us. The quarterback chooses, and there are criteria: We try to teach him the criteria for why we would want this play over the other play."

This is a good summary of how to navigate the problem. You give the QB two calls so he can get out of a bad one. You could make the second call one that the QB favors given what the defense might do to defeat play #1. Easy buy in.

This isn't rocket science, but requires hard nosed patience. Going to take a while to bend that board. If La Fleur is actually as good as he thinks he is, he'll win Rodgers over.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Coaches don't build a playbook thinking, "this fucking play doesn't have a chance".

The Indianapolis Colts would like to have a word with you pb.