Official 2019 Training Camp Thread

[RashanGary]

PB, did you watch the Carolina game when they brought Rodgers back too soon in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs? We had CRUSHED teams with the run in his absence. This despite having Hundly as our QB. First game back fat mike called something like 12 run plays the entire game and nearly got ARod killed.

Every where McCarthy has gone it’s been balanced run/pass. Including Green Bay when AR is not QB. You sure that’s MMs game plan or is it AR taking the game into his own hands and ignoring the game plan like so many reports indicate.

You and I see the same problem. We attribute it to different people. If the same thing happens now, gonna have to start believing the reports that AR does whatever he wants, no?

[texaspackerbacker]

I believe it ....... and I'm all for it.

[pbmax]

Every where McCarthy has gone it’s been balanced run/pass. Including Green Bay when AR is not QB. You sure that’s MMs game plan or is it AR taking the game into his own hands and ignoring the game plan like so many reports indicate.

You and I see the same problem. We attribute it to different people. If the same thing happens now, gonna have to start believing the reports that AR does whatever he wants, no?

Everywhere he has gone? New Orleans with Aaron Brooks (which is approaching 20 years ago)? San Fran with a rookie Alex Smith?

Then 13 years with a hall of fame QB. Yep, apples to apples comparison right down the line.

[Rutnstrut]

Daniels isn't old enough to be over the hill; I don't think the injuries he's had are the type to debilitate him long term; I foresee a comeback year for him, assuming he stays fairly healthy, especially with better quality players around him. I would not put him in the same category as Hawk or KGB.

You are right Daniels can't be put in the same category as Hawk. Hawk was dependable and on the field to contribute. Daniels does more posturing and talking than he does actually contributing.

[Rutnstrut]

Every where McCarthy has gone it’s been balanced run/pass. Including Green Bay when AR is not QB. You sure that’s MMs game plan or is it AR taking the game into his own hands and ignoring the game plan like so many reports indicate.

You and I see the same problem. We attribute it to different people. If the same thing happens now, gonna have to start believing the reports that AR does whatever he wants, no?

Even if it is Rodgers changing the plays. Stubby should have had the balls to reign AR in a bit.

[RashanGary]

Even if it is Rodgers changing the plays. Stubby should have had the balls to reign AR in a bit.

Now we find out if anyone else can. 12 calls the plays.

[bobblehead]

I disagree. There's probably a lot of exceptional cases both ways, but a solid steady not overly gifted guy can go on for a long time because he's used to excelling without the gifts. Let some freaky athlete lose a step, and he doesn't know how to cope. I'm having a hard time coming up with examples. Dez Bryant might be one of the freaks. Almost any long long term O Lineman you can name might be an example of the slow and steady type - Uncle Bruce Matthews comes to mind.

Daniels is small? Short, yeah, but not all that small as D Linemen go. I think he has a bounce back year if he is healthy.

2 freaks that really come to mind. Darrell Green and Julius Peppers. I could list a hundred though. But guys like James Jones that got by on savvy...well, when they lose a step its too much to overcome.

[RashanGary]

2 freaks that really come to mind. Darrell Green and Julius Peppers. I could list a hundred though. But guys like James Jones that got by on savvy...well, when they lose a step its too much to overcome.

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[RashanGary]

4.86 40 yard dash and 36.5” vertical is elite for a guy 292lbs.

Mike Daniels is 30 years old. He was injured last year and had a down year. I would expect him to work harder than ever on his body, including flexibility so he can have a strong, healthy contract year. I expect monster years out of Daniels and Clark inside especially now with the edges being pressed more consistently.

[pbmax]

You are right Daniels can't be put in the same category as Hawk. Hawk was dependable and on the field to contribute. Daniels does more posturing and talking than he does actually contributing.

If dependable means being blocked, late to the play and chasing the ball 10 yards down the filed, sure.

Hawk had 1.5 to 2 good years where he was a lightning fast Will LB who then got hurt. I don't even remember what the injury was. But that injury and the move inside in a 3-4 where he was the thumper, made him less than pedestrian.

[Joemailman]

4.86 40 yard dash and 36.5” vertical is elite for a guy 292lbs.

Mike Daniels is 30 years old. He was injured last year and had a down year. I would expect him to work harder than ever on his body, including flexibility so he can have a strong, healthy contract year. I expect monster years out of Daniels and Clark inside especially now with the edges being pressed more consistently.

He'll work hard, but he's now a 310 pound 30 year old guy coming off a foot injury. There's a real chance he is on a downward trend. The good news is that with the depth on the defensive line, the Packers can probably reduce his snaps which could help. He's in a contract year, so he'll have plenty of motivation. This may be his last year with the Packers though. Dean Lowry is also in a contract year, and the Packers will want to extend Kenny Clark. Youth will be served.

[mraynrand]

The Process™ isn't really analytics. Or at its best, its very incomplete. Its just a way to accumulate draft capital. It has no plan to transition to playing winning football.

However, I believe, as Cleveland may demonstrate this year, that a 3-5 year Process™ might be preferable to the 10 year Be Terrible™ plan that the 49ers and Seahawks attempted before they got good with Hairball and Nanobubbles.

Sure. Numbers not identical to process, but broadly referring to the idea of getting so caught up in your 'plan' and/or analytics that you forget there's an actual game being played with real people and real fans who can only be expected to take so much before they lose faith. Still, Browns fans never lose faith; they have the patience of Job, and they hope this season is Chapter 42.

[mraynrand]

If dependable means being blocked, late to the play and chasing the ball 10 yards down the filed, sure.

Hawk had 1.5 to 2 good years where he was a lightning fast Will LB who then got hurt. I don't even remember what the injury was. But that injury and the move inside in a 3-4 where he was the thumper, made him less than pedestrian.

Wasn't it a hip? Just killed whatever mobility he had. Hawk making an actual impact play was so rare, he had to flip people the bird to acknowledge it.

[bobblehead]

4.86 40 yard dash and 36.5” vertical is elite for a guy 292lbs.

Mike Daniels is 30 years old. He was injured last year and had a down year. I would expect him to work harder than ever on his body, including flexibility so he can have a strong, healthy contract year. I expect monster years out of Daniels and Clark inside especially now with the edges being pressed more consistently.

Again...physical freak incorporates size into the mix. He is short for an NFL lineman. His athleticism was such that as a 22 year old he had great movement at such a high weight for a guy his height. At 30, not so much.

Edit: But don't completely misunderstand me. I think he might have a year or 2 left before the decline gets really noticeable. Just saying he is near the end. We aren't resigning him after this year. I hope we can get a last good year from him. Or if things break right, trade him for a 4th to someone who needs DL help this year.

[RashanGary]

36.5” vert is ridiculous for a guy 292. He just turned 30. He still has most of his explosion and had a ton of experience and technique to go with it.

I agree to move on from him because it’s gonna diminish soon and the price is high. But for one year, the last year or so of his prime, Daniels can be an absolute beast.

I still think graham has one more big year in him too.