Official 2019 Training Camp Thread

[wist43]

Ok then wist43, let's pretend that you were given full authority over the Packers Defense as of the end of the 2018 reg. season. Your powers include hiring/firing of any coaches/players as you please. You do not have any authority over any other part of the team, just the defense.

This is your shot to be a bigshot, GO !

You're coming to this argument too late my friend.

Been arguing with these bastards on here about defense for over 13 years, and 3-4 years before that over at the JS site.

I got what I wanted this year, and specifically named P. Smith and Amos as my targets. I wanted Z. Smith as well, but thought he'd be too expensive. Was glad when Gute signed him.

And FYI, I was the original builder of the Fire Dunderdummy Bandwagon.

[Radagast]

You're coming to this argument too late my friend.

Been arguing with these bastards on here about defense for over 13 years, and 3-4 years before that over at the JS site.

I got what I wanted this year, and specifically named P. Smith and Amos as my targets. I wanted Z. Smith as well, but thought he'd be too expensive. Was glad when Gute signed him.

And FYI, I was the original builder of the Fire Dunderdummy Bandwagon.

I never asked for your resume', but a post where you could define your vision of a #1 Packer Defense. Do they currently have all of your elements / players now or will you still be crying halfway through this season? It's easy to sway with the prevailing breeze , but are you willing to post your vision now and stand by it as the season passes on?

As for that I've been around here longer than you crap, that is complete crap. Post your vision of a #! Packer Defense, if I agree I'll say so. If I don't I'll tell you why too. It's put up or shut up time, Draw Mister.

[RashanGary]

Radagast, you’re coming into a group with a lot of history so we all know what wist believes. In 15 years wist has given his opinions as straight as they can be given. He’s been wrong, primarily when we won the SB with 2-4 nickel defense, and we all rubbed his face in it for like 5 years. And he’s been right a whole bunch too. Ornery bastard knows his football.

He likes physical football. He believes in winning the run game in the trenches and affecting the QBs head. Smith, Smith, Amos and Gary all bring physical presence so he’s feeling good about the direction. I’m sure John Dorsey in Cleveland and Schneider in Seattle feel good about their direction too so we all know only one can win it. At the end of the day, if we have a top 10 defense with this group, Wist gains forum clout. If we have a top 5 defense, he can come in and rub in how right he was all along. Now, if we’re big and slow and get beat up with speed, and don’t improve, then he loses clout.

As a Packer fan, I’m rooting for Wist on this one.

Radagast, as a long time member, I’m glad you’re here and breaking your way in. You have a strong, stubborn personality. That’s what it takes to survive here. It would take a bunch of beer filled nights to fill you in on all of our history, but you can pick it up in context too. Again, glad you’re here and you bring your own stubborn style so you add to the group too!

[Radagast]

Radagast, you’re coming into a group with a lot of history so we all know what wist believes. In 15 years wist has given his opinions as straight as they can be given. He’s been wrong, primarily when we won the SB with 2-4 nickel defense, and we all rubbed his face in it for like 5 years. And he’s been right a whole bunch too. Ornery bastard knows his football.

He likes physical football. He believes in winning the run game in the trenches and affecting the QBs head. Smith, Smith, Amos and Gary all bring physical presence so he’s feeling good about the direction. I’m sure John Dorsey in Cleveland and Schneider in Seattle feel good about their direction too so we all know only one can win it. At the end of the day, if we have a top 10 defense with this group, Wist gains forum clout. If we have a top 5 defense, he can come in and rub in how right he was all along. Now, if we’re big and slow and get beat up with speed, and don’t improve, then he loses clout.

As a Packer fan, I’m rooting for Wist on this one.

Radagast, as a long time member, I’m glad you’re here and breaking your way in. You have a strong, stubborn personality. That’s what it takes to survive here. It would take a bunch of beer filled nights to fill you in on all of our history, but you can pick it up in context too. Again, glad you’re here and you bring your own stubborn style so you add to the group too!

Thank you wist43, O wait ...

History aside, I challenged wist43 to post his utopian defensive squad. Instead I get another well meaning member posting in his stead. The information, while informative can't stand as a substitute for wist43 himself. Dumping an insulting opinion on anyone/anything without also putting forth the reason behind it is both course and arrogant.

As for me I also like a physical defense, but a one dimensional defense lends itself to being slashed and cut up by a team with better speed. For that reason I like very fast players in the secondary that can both hit and tackle well. Yes headhunting is illegal, yet if a Safety can get in a receivers head he can slow him down the millisecond needed to block/intercept footballs.

I've never liked "clicks" that band together to support even those that don't deserve it. I value friendship as much as the next guy, but I'd never presume to answer for another. One of my things is to ask others for their views before I offer my own, but making condemning statements and not backing it up is both mean and lazy.

[wist43]

I never asked for your resume', but a post where you could define your vision of a #1 Packer Defense. Do they currently have all of your elements / players now or will you still be crying halfway through this season? It's easy to sway with the prevailing breeze , but are you willing to post your vision now and stand by it as the season passes on?

As for that I've been around here longer than you crap, that is complete crap. Post your vision of a #! Packer Defense, if I agree I'll say so. If I don't I'll tell you why too. It's put up or shut up time, Draw Mister.

The reason I didn't give you an expanded answer is b/c I simply don't have time these days.

In previous years on this site I worked fairly regular hours and didn't have kids. Now I run a small business and have 3 kids under 10.

I used to play golf every day, now I'm lucky if I play once a month. Last year I played twice all year.

Just don't have the time, but I've been here a long time; so, I contribute my opinion when I can.

[wist43]

Thank you wist43, O wait ...

History aside, I challenged wist43 to post his utopian defensive squad. Instead I get another well meaning member posting in his stead. The information, while informative can't stand as a substitute for wist43 himself. Dumping an insulting opinion on anyone/anything without also putting forth the reason behind it is both course and arrogant.

As for me I also like a physical defense, but a one dimensional defense lends itself to being slashed and cut up by a team with better speed. For that reason I like very fast players in the secondary that can both hit and tackle well. Yes headhunting is illegal, yet if a Safety can get in a receivers head he can slow him down the millisecond needed to block/intercept footballs.

I've never liked "clicks" that band together to support even those that don't deserve it. I value friendship as much as the next guy, but I'd never presume to answer for another. One of my things is to ask others for their views before I offer my own, but making condemning statements and not backing it up is both mean and lazy.

What "condemning statement"?? You're pretty mouthy for a newb... you mean like that??

And it's "cliques", not "clicks".

[mraynrand]

What "condemning statement"?? You're pretty mouthy for a newb... you mean like that??

And it's "cliques", not "clicks".

more clique bait from Wist

[Cheesehead Craig]

more clique bait from Wist

Damn that's funny.

[Radagast]

What "condemning statement"?? You're pretty mouthy for a newb... you mean like that??

And it's "cliques", not "clicks".

I've been a member here for almost 3 years and insulting me by calling me a newb is a huge pile of crap. You and others just use that as a way to intimidate newer members, but it don't work on me. A family and business are valid reasons to spend less time on post and posting. It does not however excuse poor behavior by you or others. Also, being allowed to be a harsh and uncivil poster by this site and simply because you have longevity here, makes me wonder how you treat your children/employes (if any). Yes, I've read much worse in this forum from others and was offended by them as well, but you just placed the last straw on that ole camel's back.

Dunderdummy and inferior personal references, while not that severe, are unsupported unless you state why/who in a rational way. A few extra lines would accomplish it nicely. The extra 90 seconds required would probably not cost that much interference with the rest of your life.

Last, I never won any spelling bees, but I do use a spell check program. I consistently overlook the misspelling of others and don't use it as a weapon to lash out at them, so why do you ?

If you can harness your emotions, I'd still like to read your views on the perfect Packer Defense. Chances are that I'd agree with most of your views, maybe. Perhaps you could think about it a few days and formulate a post about the Packer Defense that can stand as your way to build it into a great Defense.

[RashanGary]

Radagast,

I came and tried to welcome you. Wist was short, and it sounds like he had his reasons. I was trying to help you feel welcome and give some context into some of our long lasting discussions so you wouldn’t feel like such an outsider and wouldn’t feel brushed off. I was acting out of consideration for you as a newer poster. Even three years is a newer poster from a lot of our perspectives. Shit, I haven’t heard from Patler in a while and I’ve seen him for so many years I start to wonder if he’s alright. That’s how long I’ve seen these guys around here, and i don’t care about most people other than my closest of close so it’s actually a shocker for me to give a shit.

I really don’t think anyone is bullying you. Nor is anyone purposely trying to make anyone an outsider. If anything, we’re filling you in and talking our usual shit.

You seem to have a very dry and emotionless demeanor. That will work for some. For others, that’s gonna be boring and they’re gonna pass you over. Same way you pass over people who show emotion.

[Radagast]

Radagast,

I came and tried to welcome you. Wist was short, and it sounds like he had his reasons. I was trying to help you feel welcome and give some context into some of our long lasting discussions so you wouldn’t feel like such an outsider and wouldn’t feel brushed off. I was acting out of consideration for you as a newer poster. Even three years is a newer poster from a lot of our perspectives. Shit, I haven’t heard from Patler in a while and I’ve seen him for so many years I start to wonder if he’s alright. That’s how long I’ve seen these guys around here, and i don’t care about most people other than my closest of close so it’s actually a shocker for me to give a shit.

I really don’t think anyone is bullying you. Nor is anyone purposely trying to make anyone an outsider. If anything, we’re filling you in and talking our usual shit.

You seem to have a very dry and emotionless demeanor. That will work for some. For others, that’s gonna be boring and they’re gonna pass you over. Same way you pass over people who show emotion.

I recognised the civility or your post and it pleased me. Thank you, but wist43, even with all his responsibilities found the time to post to this thread. While some find it admirable to serve as a second in others matters, there are times when an uninvited 3rd party is not company, but a crowd.

As for my demeanor, I'm as pleasant as I'm treated. All too often I do find that good manners and morals has unpleasantly shrank and the sad truth is too many see no problem as they also can't boast any better character themselves. Perhaps I am a Don Quixote, but how low are we to sink as a nation before we become as bad as those that we currently look down on.

Now, with the Draft and some FA acquisitions the Packers may have the personal in place to surprise many with a top tier Defense in 2019. The rest of the team's success will depend much upon a new offensive system that will require good execution and the gain experience of some young WRs and RBs. Let us have reasonable expectations and not be blinded by a fans eagerness for victory. Some speak of history, but where were they in the 70s and 80s when things were lean and others ruled the division. Patience and persistence are the current watchwords as the Packers grow through the upcoming season to be a feared playoff team.

[Zool]

I recognised the civility or your post and it pleased me. Thank you, but wist43, even with all his responsibilities found the time to post to this thread. While some find it admirable to serve as a second in others matters, there are times when an uninvited 3rd party is not company, but a crowd.

As for my demeanor, I'm as pleasant as I'm treated. All too often I do find that good manners and morals has unpleasantly shrank and the sad truth is too many see no problem as they also can't boast any better character themselves. Perhaps I am a Don Quixote, but how low are we to sink as a nation before we become as bad as those that we currently look down on.

Now, with the Draft and some FA acquisitions the Packers may have the personal in place to surprise many with a top tier Defense in 2019. The rest of the team's success will depend much upon a new offensive system that will require good execution and the gain experience of some young WRs and RBs. Let us have reasonable expectations and not be blinded by a fans eagerness for victory. Some speak of history, but where were they in the 70s and 80s when things were lean and others ruled the division. Patience and persistence are the current watchwords as the Packers grow through the upcoming season to be a feared playoff team.

Wowzers. Woody's second account is in rare form right now.

[pbmax]

what about SPRIGGS™?

There is always hope.

[pbmax]

I didn't miss it... and we were much improved defensively (which isn't saying much) - even with inferior personnel.

If you had your way Dunderdummy would still be our DC, and TT would be spitting on the Smiths and Amos.

I don't think Dom was against FA or defensive draft picks.

Maybe he tries to make Gary a slot CB who blitzes, but he would have been happy to try.

[pbmax]

As for that I've been around here longer than you crap, that is complete crap

Is this a common way to say I am older than you?

Draw Mister.