Official 2019 Training Camp Thread

[Guiness]

Corey Linsley returned to practice today. Twelve others didn’t practice: Allen Lazard, St. Brown, Kevin King, Ibraheim Campbell, Curtis Bolton, Oren Burks, Malcolm Johnson, Kabion Ento, Greg Roberts, Cole Madison, Jimmy Graham, Reggie Gilbert #Packers

*sigh* this guy's never coming back, is he?

[bobblehead]

*sigh* this guy's never coming back, is he?

I imagine he will play about 15 snaps in week 2 and then get carted to the locker room. He will then play 11 snaps in week 11 before being shut down for the season.

[call_me_ishmael]

If Kevin King doesn't perform this year, it's time to call him a health bust. Man, would could have been with TJ, one of the best defenders in the NFL.

[Fritz]

I imagine he will play about 15 snaps in week 2 and then get carted to the locker room. He will then play 11 snaps in week 11 before being shut down for the season.

Wait, you forgot about week eight, where he "tries" to go, but gets pulled after the first ten snaps. THEN he rests it through the bye and week ten, THEN comes the week 11 bit.

[pbmax]

Wait, you forgot about week eight, where he "tries" to go, but gets pulled after the first ten snaps. THEN he rests it through the bye and week ten, THEN comes the week 11 bit.

^ Everyone is forgetting about the return after missing most of camp for a 4 week stretch where he is in every game and making plays (in this scenario, its Weeks 4-8) and getting everyone excited. He tweaks something late in the second half of Week 7. But he is newly tough! He starts Week 8 while listed as questionable. Then Fritz's scenario happens and his season is over.

[Fritz]

You know, if the Mike Flanagan story weren't true, I think we'd have to make it up anyway, just to provide fans with hope for oft-injured players long after it is reasonable to have hope.

[call_me_ishmael]

Remember 2010-2014 when the Packers were probably the most effective play action team in the league and seemingly could hit somebody deep on it at least once a game?

I think that will be back this year. Finally. I expect Rodgers yards per attempt to go up by virtue of play action being a legitimate home run threat again.

[MadScientist]

Remember 2010-2014 when the Packers were probably the most effective play action team in the league and seemingly could hit somebody deep on it at least once a game?

I think that will be back this year. Finally. I expect Rodgers yards per attempt to go up by virtue of play action being a legitimate home run threat again.

I'd just be happy if Packers play action plays are a legitimate completion threat again, after it being so obvious the last couple of years that defenses never bit on it.

[pbmax]

I think we could boost economic output by 2% immediately if all children were excluded by law from working the same jobs as their parents.

Arthur Arkush
OL Dejon Allen, waived in May by #Bears after spending rookie year on their practice squad, signed with the #Packers, the team announced, likely before beginning to pick his brain for all the Week 1 intel it can.

Carlos Silva
Amos can do that

David Detjen
We already got that from Amos.

Bill Huber
Amazingly, Allen is going to play tonight.
Lane Taylor in trouble?
I don’t think related. PS tryout, perhaps.


Dear Arthur, he was released on May 11th. What could he tell them?

[Radagast]

It has become crystal clear that most forum posters don't have a clue about the NEW offensive system that Mike LaFleur has brought to GB. Too many of you still post as though McCarthy never left. I did not begin to understand the difference until I started watching replays of 2018 LA Rams and Tennessee Titans games. I've mostly found them on YouTube. By using the pause to slow down the action to see the blocking/offensive sets/and passing schemes it became clear that by using the same offensive set to both run and pass, defenses were mostly unable to predict plays. Unpredictability is the Key to it.

OK, so the Rams had Gurley and the Titans had Derrick Henry, but their individual success was founded in the same type offense that GB is changing to. It could mean that Aaron Jones gets more carries in 2019 with more chances to break for big plays and scores. In addition, with opposing defenses having to respect the run more, AR should see less pressure on him when he drops back to pass. Also, many passing schemes are designed "almost like" pick plays in basketball. This can open up more plays foe Adams/MVS/and Allison to make catches. This philosophy worked well for the Rams and could have worked better for the Titans if they had had better players.

GB has the better players, especially at the QB position. What, IMO, is confusing many of you is that this is not McCarthy Football anymore and the sooner that the difference is understood the better.

Yes, AR will still have the option to audible at the line, but once all see that a 1 to 2 yd running play in the 1st qtr. is really a setup for a big pass play in the 4th qtr and that are both run out of the exact same offensive set, more will stop bitching and just watch instead. I don't expect instant miracles right off, but when this thing gets cooking, well look out league.

As for the GB Defense, I think that the word is out to produce or hit the road. That went for Matthews and Perry and Daniels as well as Josh Jones. There's a new Sheriff in town and his name is LaFleur.

[RashanGary]

It has become crystal clear that most forum posters don't have a clue about the NEW offensive system that Mike LaFleur has brought to GB. Too many of you still post as though McCarthy never left. I did not begin to understand the difference until I started watching replays of 2018 LA Rams and Tennessee Titans games. I've mostly found them on YouTube. By using the pause to slow down the action to see the blocking/offensive sets/and passing schemes it became clear that by using the same offensive set to both run and pass, defenses were mostly unable to predict plays. Unpredictability is the Key to it.

OK, so the Rams had Gurley and the Titans had Derrick Henry, but their individual success was founded in the same type offense that GB is changing to. It could mean that Aaron Jones gets more carries in 2019 with more chances to break for big plays and scores. In addition, with opposing defenses having to respect the run more, AR should see less pressure on him when he drops back to pass. Also, many passing schemes are designed "almost like" pick plays in basketball. This can open up more plays foe Adams/MVS/and Allison to make catches. This philosophy worked well for the Rams and could have worked better for the Titans if they had had better players.

GB has the better players, especially at the QB position. What, IMO, is confusing many of you is that this is not McCarthy Football anymore and the sooner that the difference is understood the better.

Yes, AR will still have the option to audible at the line, but once all see that a 1 to 2 yd running play in the 1st qtr. is really a setup for a big pass play in the 4th qtr and that are both run out of the exact same offensive set, more will stop bitching and just watch instead. I don't expect instant miracles right off, but when this thing gets cooking, well look out league.

As for the GB Defense, I think that the word is out to produce or hit the road. That went for Matthews and Perry and Daniels as well as Josh Jones. There's a new Sheriff in town and his name is LaFleur.

I’ve seen various cut ups of how the plays work off of each other. You described it exactly like what I’ve seen. And yes, I too think it’s a system that will work because defenses not being able to see the difference between a run and a pass, even as the play is unfolding is a huge advantage for both the run game and the pass game. Indecisive, slow reacting defenders make for offensive feasts.

Goff was quoted in saying he didn’t have enough audible answers in the Patriot game so they are evolving their offense this year to have a few more answers. I suspect the Packers offense will evolve faster and more effectively in that area because of 12 and the experience up front makes adjustments easier to enact as well.

It’s interesting, no doubt. I have similar optimism about the system.

[pbmax]

It has become crystal clear that most forum posters don't have a clue about the NEW offensive system that Mike LaFleur has brought to GB. Too many of you still post as though McCarthy never left. I did not begin to understand the difference until I started watching replays of 2018 LA Rams and Tennessee Titans games. I've mostly found them on YouTube. By using the pause to slow down the action to see the blocking/offensive sets/and passing schemes it became clear that by using the same offensive set to both run and pass, defenses were mostly unable to predict plays. Unpredictability is the Key to it.

No one is posting that way. Quote someone. We have been discussing the play action aspects since the Trimmed Eyebrow was hired. BTW

Unpredictability for the Titans yielded:

DVOA: 22nd in League

Yards: 25th

Points: 27th


Predictability for Packers yielded:

DVOA: 7th

Yards: 12th

Points: 14th


Conclusion: Front office more important than any one scheme.

[RashanGary]

No one is posting that way. Quote someone. We have been discussing the play action aspects since the Trimmed Eyebrow was hired. BTW

Unpredictability for the Titans yielded:

DVOA: 22nd in League

Yards: 25th

Points: 27th


Predictability for Packers yielded:

DVOA: 7th

Yards: 12th

Points: 14th


Conclusion: Front office more important than any one scheme.

First year offense, young QB.... this is purely a theory at this point but some of us do think defenses not knowing if it’s run or pass will make our personnel more successful than they were in the old system.

[pbmax]

First year offense, young QB.... this is purely a theory at this point but some of us do think defenses not knowing if it’s run or pass will make our personnel more successful than they were in the old system.

First year or no, the system is not enough. M4 will be doing a great job if he beats last years (Packers) numbers.

Play action is a nice organizing priciple for an offense to be constructed around. Can help with disguise and be combined with efforts to make the offense look complex to the defense but remain simple for the offense.

All good, but like any defense, its predicted on rules and teams will figure it out. Patriots did last year and flummoxed the genius head coach with a simple change in defensive coverage.

Without good personnel, you will be average with your scheme at best (see the Washington teams with both Shannys).

Without the ability to adjust (Rodgers skill), you aren't winning a Super Bowl or even getting past the Divisional Round unless you simply have an extra talented team.

[RashanGary]

First year or no, the system is not enough. M4 will be doing a great job if he beats last years (Packers) numbers.

I don’t really give the same first year break to this team. A veteran OL and QB and no rookies starting anywhere. This team should be good right now. And if some numbers lean to the run and don’t stack stats as well, I’m ok as long as it comes with wins and post season success.