Official 2019 Training Camp Thread

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We mock M3 for his shortcomings, but he kept making the playoffs with a stale offense and got to a NFC Championship game with a hurt group (2016).

To be better than M3, La Fleur will need to meet his Falcons year about 8 times over.

[RashanGary]

We mock M3 for his shortcomings, but he kept making the playoffs with a stale offense and got to a NFC Championship game with a hurt group (2016).

To be better than M3, La Fleur will need to meet his Falcons year about 8 times over.

I agree M3 gets more flack than he deserved. He evolved a unique offense that fit the skillset of his generational QB perfectly. He did some really good things. He won a SB here and a ton of games.

I’m a big believer in running the ball. I’m also a big believer in passing well. But when a team can do both, i think it pays off in the post season when the top defenses are usually very good at taking one thing away.

[RashanGary]

And all of the things M3 and AR evolved together.... MLF gets to ride those coattails in some ways. He’s going to have a one of a kind, cutting edge shannahan offense thanks to ARs experience and training in the old offense.

[Bretsky]

If Kevin King doesn't perform this year, it's time to call him a health bust. Man, would could have been with TJ, one of the best defenders in the NFL.

THIS

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@JimOwczarski
Caught up w/ #Packers wideout J'Mon Moore. He was tidying up his locker a bit after seeing 2 targets & making 1 catch tonight.
He was quiet and didn't want to say much:
"It is what it is. I’m just ready to…whatever, man.”

I would hope that the Packer spend some time studying why some higher draft picks don't seem to work out. Would make scouting much better if its something you might see on campus.

I doubt its just mental, maybe adaptability, but if there were observable markers, would really help. I think it would be significant to bring in outside folks to find the needles in this haystack.

[Cheesehead Craig]

@JimOwczarski
Caught up w/ #Packers wideout J'Mon Moore. He was tidying up his locker a bit after seeing 2 targets & making 1 catch tonight.
He was quiet and didn't want to say much:
"It is what it is. I’m just ready to…whatever, man.”

I would hope that the Packer spend some time studying why some higher draft picks don't seem to work out. Would make scouting much better if its something you might see on campus.

I doubt its just mental, maybe adaptability, but if there were observable markers, would really help. I think it would be significant to bring in outside folks to find the needles in this haystack.

Some guys just look great in college but simply fail in the pros. Happens all the time. Look at baseball, there are guys who are labeled as AAAA types where they mash AAA but once they are called up to the show, they turn into Bob Uecker.

Perhaps he is so successful because of his athleticism and thus doesn't work on other aspects as much, thus limiting himself as a player and at the pros where everybody is as good if not better he simply doesn't know how to respond.

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@TomSilverstein
#Packers ILB Curtis Bolton, who seemed to have a spot on the 53-man roster, will undergo a 3rd MRI on his right knee Fri to determine if he needs surgery. Said the first 2 were inconclusive and even though some days his knee feels fine, he wasn't trying to get his hopes too high.

@ReinerOlivia
The most important news from this game: No third down foghorn.

[pbmax]

Some guys just look great in college but simply fail in the pros. Happens all the time. Look at baseball, there are guys who are labeled as AAAA types where they mash AAA but once they are called up to the show, they turn into Bob Uecker.

Perhaps he is so successful because of his athleticism and thus doesn't work on other aspects as much, thus limiting himself as a player and at the pros where everybody is as good if not better he simply doesn't know how to respond.

Sure, but baseball is often drafting high schoolers. Big difference in those 3 years. Most NFL draftees have had 3 years training and development in that minor league/NCAA system.

Should make it more predictable.

I am not suggesting that they do not care about the failure rate. Just want to know more about who is doing what.

[Sparkey]

Some guys just look great in college but simply fail in the pros. Happens all the time. Look at baseball, there are guys who are labeled as AAAA types where they mash AAA but once they are called up to the show, they turn into Bob Uecker.

Perhaps he is so successful because of his athleticism and thus doesn't work on other aspects as much, thus limiting himself as a player and at the pros where everybody is as good if not better he simply doesn't know how to respond.

“Just got the real short end of the stick,” he said. “Don’t know why. I’m not going to ask why. I’m going to be all right though, for sure. I’ll be ready. I have no doubt what it is that I can do and I’m going to do it. It’s all good.”

Seems to me, Moore lacks the self awareness needed to improve. I remember a tight end named Ed West. All the talent in the world except for the fact he couldn't catch.

[Patler]

I remember a tight end named Ed West. All the talent in the world except for the fact he couldn't catch.

I think you are confusing Ed West with someone else, Bubba Franks perhaps?

Ed West was an undrafted free agent of limited athletic ability who had a 14 year NFL career created from out-working every player brought in to replace him. Good blocker, with good hands as I recall, but very limited athletically, so never was a focus in the passing game.

Bubba Franks was a first round draft pick, much more gifted athletically, also a very good blocker. Seemed to have a lot going for him early in his career, even caught the ball well. For some reason, just a few years into his career he developed a persistent, chronic case of stone hands, fighting the ball even on easy catches. It lasted the remainder of his career.

[mraynrand]

nm

[texaspackerbacker]

@JimOwczarski
Caught up w/ #Packers wideout J'Mon Moore. He was tidying up his locker a bit after seeing 2 targets & making 1 catch tonight.
He was quiet and didn't want to say much:
"It is what it is. I’m just ready to…whatever, man.”

I would hope that the Packer spend some time studying why some higher draft picks don't seem to work out. Would make scouting much better if its something you might see on campus.

I doubt its just mental, maybe adaptability, but if there were observable markers, would really help. I think it would be significant to bring in outside folks to find the needles in this haystack.

I think it has a lot to do with choosing perceived athleticism over football instincts. I remember when Corey Linsley was drafted in the 6th round kinda as an after thought or fall back or whatever after J.C. Whatshisface was drafted 3rd or 4th - Linsley obviously has panned out a lot better.

Moore is another bundle of athleticism. Of course you could same about MVS and St. Brown but for whatever reason, they have come through better.

Regarding Bolton, maybe they are getting ready to stash him on IR and just need some medical back up.

[mraynrand]

It has become crystal clear that most forum posters don't have a clue about the NEW offensive system that Mike LaFleur has brought to GB. Too many of you still post as though McCarthy never left.

piss off

[Cheesehead Craig]

Sure, but baseball is often drafting high schoolers. Big difference in those 3 years. Most NFL draftees have had 3 years training and development in that minor league/NCAA system.

Should make it more predictable.

I am not suggesting that they do not care about the failure rate. Just want to know more about who is doing what.

My point is that perhaps there are a good number of NCAA players who are just great athletes, vs being "football players". Hence my AAAA reference. They are very good against lesser competition, but when they get to where players are their equal physically, they falter.

[Fritz]

Moore saying something about getting "the very short end of the stick" may provide a clue as to what held him back.