Mike Daniels

[pbmax]

I don't get the Daniels hate. One of TT's better defensive line picks.

yup. me either. suh is 32 and signed for 9.25 guaranteed. daniels has been a very good player for us. it was bad luck getting hurt last year. he's healthy. he just turned 30. the team is worse without him. i've a feeling this will backfire. a self inflicted wound.

I agree. I think its scheme fit and cost. Pettine wants certain traits, Daniels was effective but not dominant and did not play with those traits. Once they signed Dr. Zaius and trusted Lowry with a new deal, there wasn't room left for him on the books or depth chart.

He did not start last season and had been replaced in certain sub defenses by Wilkerson. I think that was the first sign of the disillusionment.

I take his quick re-signing that other teams (at least 4, possibly as many as 13) also think he is still effective at his earlier price. Its not often a vet gets cut this late into the offseason and replicates their previous deal.

I wonder if the Packers asked him to take a pay cut?

[mraynrand]

I don’t think the comparison to Suh is a good one. Suh is enormous, can play nose and penetrate, never misses a game, and can occupy a double team. As he gets older, he gets moved out more by those doubles, but he’s normally a pretty solid anchor. Daniels was never that guy. Good penetration and strength and above average motor, but he was getting blown off the ball far too easily and that’s why he disappeared on early downs.

[Patler]

I agree. I think its scheme fit and cost. Pettine wants certain traits, Daniels was effective but not dominant and did not play with those traits. Once they signed Dr. Zaius and trusted Lowry with a new deal, there wasn't room left for him on the books or depth chart.

He did not start last season and had been replaced in certain sub defenses by Wilkerson. I think that was the first sign of the disillusionment.

I take his quick re-signing that other teams (at least 4, possibly as many as 13) also think he is still effective at his earlier price. Its not often a vet gets cut this late into the offseason and replicates their previous deal.

I wonder if the Packers asked him to take a pay cut?

I agree, they basically no longer need him at the cost. For what he has done well, they have now brought in younger, taller guys to do the same. They will honor their commitments to those players to see if they will be the team's future. For what Daniel's didn't do as well, they have younger, bigger guys who maybe just as effective. Since they were unlikely to resign Daniels next year anyway, the cost/value calculation was not in his favor in GB, particularly in view of the team's modest cap surplus and the list of players they want to sign.

I haven't seen much real Daniel's hate posted here, just recognition that he is more limited than the very best, and his bark was often worse than his bite. Doesn't mean he wasn't a good player.

[mraynrand]

Daniel’s appeal was becoming more selective.

[call_me_ishmael]

I don’t think the comparison to Suh is a good one. Suh is enormous, can play nose and penetrate, never misses a game, and can occupy a double team. As he gets older, he gets moved out more by those doubles, but he’s normally a pretty solid anchor. Daniels was never that guy. Good penetration and strength and above average motor, but he was getting blown off the ball far too easily and that’s why he disappeared on early downs.

Suh is legit 6'4", Daniels might be 6'. HUGE difference in my opinion.

[pbmax]

Mt. Adams also seems to have figured into this calculation, perhaps as Lane Taylor did with Sitton.

@zachkruse2
Pettine on Montravius Adams: Most improved? "It would be Montravius." Pettine challenged him right away. "Mon has taken the challenge."

@PackerReport
Pettine calls Montravius Adams the team's most improved player over the last year. Pettine says his opinion of Adams "wasn't very high" to start with but was "playing some quality minutes" by the end of the season. Will depend on him this year.

@RobDemovsky
Packers D-coordinator Mike Pettine called @Montravius1TGE the most improved player on his side of the ball over the last year and admitted "when I first got here, my opinion of (Adams) wasn't real high." Credited @GB_CoachMont for developing him.

[gbgary]

I don’t think the comparison to Suh is a good one. Suh is enormous, can play nose and penetrate, never misses a game, and can occupy a double team. As he gets older, he gets moved out more by those doubles, but he’s normally a pretty solid anchor. Daniels was never that guy. Good penetration and strength and above average motor, but he was getting blown off the ball far too easily and that’s why he disappeared on early downs.

i was just comparing age and contract. suh's always been an attitude guy though...taking plays off, dirty. a journeyman the last several years. he's stolen more money than he's earned. daniels has always been a good player for the Packers and everyone loved him until the cap situation was inflamed by rodgers contract then last year's injury.

[Rutnstrut]

i was just comparing age and contract. suh's always been an attitude guy though...taking plays off, dirty. a journeyman the last several years. he's stolen more money than he's earned. daniels has always been a good player for the Packers and everyone loved him until the cap situation was inflamed by rodgers contract then last year's injury.

Suh is most of the things you stated. BUT, he performs. Daniels, not so much.

[pbmax]

Suh is most of the things you stated. BUT, he performs. Daniels, not so much.

Yeah, sort of. Suh, like Raji, could dominate the guy in front of them. Raji with a quick burst, Suh by just knocking them out of the way. But they each played too much hero ball. Penetrate too much, don't hold a gap, get gashed.

Daniels had a little of that in him and I suspect that is why he was not starting at the beginning of last year (its that or Pettine REALLY loves height). I never thought Wilkerson in his 3 games looked far superior, but I might have been proven wrong.

Suh has oodles of physical talent, Raji had some remarkable physical characteristics, but I think the thing that drive DCs mad was not playing into the scheme. I don't think Daniels took plays off, I think he played a bit of a one man game and just wasn't as talented.

[pbmax]

The other thing his release tells us is that he was ticketed for 3 tech pass rusher at most.

[run pMc]

The other thing his release tells us is that he was ticketed for 3 tech pass rusher at most.

Yeah. I think for as little as they play with 3 DL, with Clark, Lowry, plus Z.Smith and one of the others (M.Adams, Lancaster, Gary, P.Smith) they have options, and a $10M cap hold for a player with limited versatility I think it's a matter of scheme fit which impact the production/pay. Maybe they go back to more 3-3 vs. 2-4, or disguise it with the bigger bodies...but they couldn't do that with Daniels. He was a 3T pass rusher.

Inside pass rushers have value, and he was generally a pretty good player and guy in the community so good for him.
I hope he does well except against the Packers.

[QBME]

I love this board. Some serious stuff that I cannot follow on a day - day basis., but good stuff from followers in the know, most better than the talking heads.

BUT, the fixation on players long gone..I present you...

[Teamcheez1]

I love this board. Some serious stuff that I cannot follow on a day - day basis., but good stuff from followers in the know, most better than the talking heads.

BUT, the fixation on players long gone..I present you...

Why are you bringing Cletidus Hunt into the conversation again?

[pbmax]

I have a Mike Daniels sized hole in my heart.

[Fritz]

I love this board. Some serious stuff that I cannot follow on a day - day basis., but good stuff from followers in the know, most better than the talking heads.

BUT, the fixation on players long gone..I present you...

. . . Taysom Hill.