Will Wide Receivers Hold Back This Offense?

[pbmax]

GBs offense , while not boasting Super Talent (except Rodgers/Adams), but they are getting the job done. Mortgaging the future to trade for a better WR at this point would be wrong. Not only would it damage the already fragile confidence that the receivers have been building up with their QB, but any new personal would have to learn GB's new offensive system. I see the offense progressively getting better each week and to fool with whats working is just not done in sports. IMO, GB's receivers are getting better each week and to screw with them at this point would be crazy.

So don't draft ANY receivers?

Doesn't competition help? Steel sharpening steel?

[Radagast]

So don't draft ANY receivers?

Doesn't competition help? Steel sharpening steel?

Draft, yes of course. Making dramatic changes at this point however would be the wrong thing to do. Draft or persue a WR after the end of this season and not before then.

[pbmax]

Draft, yes of course. Making dramatic changes at this point however would be the wrong thing to do. Draft or persue a WR after the end of this season and not before then.

Have to strike when the iron is hot. Depends on price of what is available.

[Radagast]

Have to strike when the iron is hot. Depends on price of what is available.

OK then (GM) pbmax, please tell us all about the deal that "you" would make, the draft picks you would sacrifice, the $s you would pay out, how soon your phantom WR would be up to speed and ready to fit into LaFleur's offensive scheme, etc. Explain your brilliant plan to acquire a Top WR from another team. He would of course need to be a Top WR to justify cutting another player from GB's roster and just who would the player be?

I know that you have considered every consequence and the potential benefit for the Packers. We would ALL be riveted to your considered analysis.

[RashanGary]

Adams is a #1
For all of MVSs weaknesses in traffic, he does take the top off with speed and reliable deep ball hands. I’ve been impressed with his blocking effort too. I wouldn’t be shocked with 800 yards from him

Allison sucks

Shep has a chance in the slot, next year for sure and maybe even this year.
ESB has a chance to be a decent player too

Jones, Williams and Vitale catch the ball

Sternberger and Tonyan have passing game potential long term


Drafting one is a really good idea. But I’m not sure you want to take away from the defense to add receivers. Money is tight. Defense is important.

[Bretsky]

OK then (GM) pbmax, please tell us all about the deal that "you" would make, the draft picks you would sacrifice, the $s you would pay out, how soon your phantom WR would be up to speed and ready to fit into LaFleur's offensive scheme, etc. Explain your brilliant plan to acquire a Top WR from another team. He would of course need to be a Top WR to justify cutting another player from GB's roster and just who would the player be?

I know that you have considered every consequence and the potential benefit for the Packers. We would ALL be riveted to your considered analysis.

The tone of this post sucks; I'm assuming you meant it to.

I think PB is very well aware that there will be options for Gooter to make a deal happen , as we all are. And he's merely suggesting we don't have an unlimited time window.


Personally I'd do exactly what I suggested about 20 posts ago. I'd trade for Emmanuel Sanders. And I'd happily give up a 4th or 5th rounder for him and I think that gets it down. He'd fit under our cap as this year he was paid an option of 10.25 Million so maybe we have about 6 of that to pay. And he's free next year, which is why a team probably does not need to give up a ton, and Denver cannot command a ton

And we have all kinds of low upside guys we can cut. You could start with Tre Carson. But there are tons of other options. I'm sure you can look at the roster and name a bunch more.

[RashanGary]

The tone of this post sucks; I'm assuming you meant it to.

I think PB is very well aware that there will be options for Gooter to make a deal happen , as we all are. And he's merely suggesting we don't have an unlimited time window.


Personally I'd do exactly what I suggested about 20 posts ago. I'd trade for Emmanuel Sanders. And I'd happily give up a 4th or 5th rounder for him and I think that gets it down. He'd fit under our cap as this year he was paid an option of 10.25 Million so maybe we have about 6 of that to pay. And he's free next year, which is why a team probably does not need to give up a ton, and Denver cannot command a ton

And we have all kinds of low upside guys we can cut. You could start with Tre Carson. But there are tons of other options. I'm sure you can look at the roster and name a bunch more.

Emmanuel Sanders at 6 to finish the season for a 5th round pick would be reasonable. We’re close to a SB caliber team. What about Antonio Brown for 2M on a prove it deal??

[RashanGary]

In all honesty, Brown is better than Adams as a pure football player. Obviously not when you account for trust worthiness and potential team cancer.... but Brown would catch on real quick I bet.

[Zool]

Salary cap, people. Rodgers and Adams will have a combined salary cap hit of 49 million next year. The Smiths another 30 million. Can't afford another 8 figure salary for a WR. Having 2 Pro Bowl WR's is a luxury the Packers can't afford.

Green's contract is up at the end of this season. Graham's is essentially up at the end of this season. I might give up a 2nd rounder to get 9 games of AJ green...I think....maybe?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

In all honesty, Brown is better than Adams as a pure football player. Obviously not when you account for trust worthiness and potential team cancer.... but Brown would catch on real quick I bet.

Hell yeah. Sign AB! Rison all over again. Victory over Pats in SB.

[call_me_ishmael]

Bottom line - the Packers, despite a great OL, don't have the horses to win a super bowl offensively as it stands today. Whether you _want_ to pony up and pay is sort of irrelevant if you want to win. You can either invest in the WR spot and have a shot at winning in the playoffs, or leave it as is and lose in the playoffs.

The money thing will work itself out. Having too many good players to pay is a good problem to have.

You just know this cat is gonna end up in New England. Once they got Brown on the cheap and let him go, I have assumed they'd make a play to acquire another talented and available receiver. They clearly felt they needed the help and the value was there. I imagine they'd feel the same about Green.

[pbmax]

OK then (GM) pbmax, please tell us all about the deal that "you" would make, the draft picks you would sacrifice, the $s you would pay out, how soon your phantom WR would be up to speed and ready to fit into LaFleur's offensive scheme, etc. Explain your brilliant plan to acquire a Top WR from another team. He would of course need to be a Top WR to justify cutting another player from GB's roster and just who would the player be?

I know that you have considered every consequence and the potential benefit for the Packers. We would ALL be riveted to your considered analysis.

Apparently, you are easily entertained by internet trade proposals. But sure, I'll play along with your demand.

Assuming he is fundamentally healthy (need a physical and history to determine if he is simply getting older or just a run of bad injury luck), trade for Emanuel Sanders.

4th round pick in either of the next two years. I might do a 3rd in the future (2021) if I believe the Defense will continue to get results.

I would consider better picks for AJ Green, but publicly they refuse to speculate about trading him and the price might be astronomical. My range on Green would be restricted by his cost and injuries this year. By the time he is healthy, he might sink in pick value.

Stick Shepard on the PS. I find it amusing you think a WR needs to be the TOP to justify cutting the 53rd player on the roster. You're homerism is cute.

Would take 4 weeks to be up to speed but Sanders could have specific plays called for him in game until he knows the whole package.

The problem Radagast, is that I called the Broncos GM Elway and for some reason, he wouldn't take my call. So I don't actually know the price for Sanders. I also called Rodgers, Adams and LaFleur to ask if they thought Sanders could learn the offense AND fit in with the locker room, but I have still not heard back. Gute's number rang through to voicemail, but he also has not reached out. Packer PR was very rude and laughed when I called. Gilbert Brown was happy someone checked in with him and he is on board with this plan.

So, lacking access to critical information, its hard to formulate a proposal to your dumb yet exacting standards.

But for myself, I would LOVE to know that Gute-Pettine-LaFleur believe the defense will tighten up and that the surprisingly effective offense (we all thought 6 weeks before it could be judged) and high turnover defense might induce Gute to make some calls. That is all I want to know: does he think this team is ready this year? Which is why my baseline approach is not to formulate fan trade proposals and call the local radio guys, but hope someone asks Gute and he tells us something interesting.

Before we leave, I'll have you know that woodbuck thinks that Patler, KYPack, Rand, Bretsky, Rashan or I could be a better Packers GM than Ted. He never specified if we would all need to be linked together in some sort of hive mind though. In any case, I am not taking the job unless we can track down Lurker64 for player evals, Harv for the pro side and bobble agrees to head the analytics department.


* If recent shakier outings (Eagles, 2nd half Cowboys) are more what to expect, I might keep the powder (draft picks) stored.

[pbmax]

Forgot the cap numbers:

Sanders is $10 million base, his cap hit and signing bonus stay with the Broncos I believe. $5 million to rent for 8 games. They might need to rearrange some money but have the space to fit him in.

Green is $12 million base this year, the cap hit and his signing bonus I believe stay with the Bengals. So he would cost $6 mill for half a season. Packers have $9 mil in space, won't want to use it all up so I expect either Jimmy Graham goes (less likely with Tonyan gimpy and Sternberger on IR) or Rodgers needs to rearrange some money.

[RashanGary]

I do not see the Packers paying big money for a WR. A one year rental, sure, maybe, but actually signing a guy long term that will take away from the defense..... I don’t see it happening.

[pbmax]

Forgot the cap numbers:

Sanders is $10 million base, his cap hit and signing bonus stay with the Broncos I believe. $5 million to rent for 8 games. They might need to rearrange some money but have the space to fit him in.

Green is $12 million base this year, the cap hit and his signing bonus I believe stay with the Bengals. So he would cost $6 mill for half a season. Packers have $9 mil in space, won't want to use it all up so I expect either Jimmy Graham goes (less likely with Tonyan gimpy and Sternberger on IR) or Rodgers needs to rearrange some money.

Forgot to mention both in last year of deal. They could raise a fuss about being traded but it could conceivably help both to play with Rodgers versus their current offenses.

No long term cap damage.