Will Wide Receivers Hold Back This Offense?

[mraynrand]

Seahawks are the 2011-2016 packers. HOF QB, great offense. Average to bad defense. They’ll win regular season games but not very likely to win SB

I wasn’t prepared to go that far cuz I haven’t seen them play enough. But late in games, Wilson does run the EO quite a bit.

[beveaux1]

Seahawks are the 2011-2016 packers. HOF QB, great offense. Average to bad defense. They’ll win regular season games but not very likely to win SB

This is the 2019 Packers, but without the great offense.

[call_me_ishmael]

What the heck happened to Valdez Scantling? He is doing jack shizzle for my fantasy team and not even getting targeted!

[yetisnowman]

So you're comparing a second-round pick to an undrafted free agent and a fifth-round pick?

Uh yeah I am. I'm comparing the guys we have vs guys we could have drafted this season. I've been beating this drum for a while. We stood pat in terms of wrs this offseason, and I don't think it's working out so great. I'm ecstatic we are 8-2, but the wrs outside of Adams are a major weakness.

[Freak Out]

What the heck happened to Valdez Scantling? He is doing jack shizzle for my fantasy team and not even getting targeted!

The one deep target I saw he should have caught...maybe had a hand trapped..dunno.

[Joemailman]

Uh yeah I am. I'm comparing the guys we have vs guys we could have drafted this season. I've been beating this drum for a while. We stood pat in terms of wrs this offseason, and I don't think it's working out so great. I'm ecstatic we are 8-2, but the wrs outside of Adams are a major weakness.

I think Kumerow and Lazard are good role guys. Allison is toast. Packers have to draft a #2. Do that and get Sternberger involved, and they'll be pretty good.

[yetisnowman]

I think Kumerow and Lazard are good role guys. Allison is toast. Packers have to draft a #2. Do that and get Sternberger involved, and they'll be pretty good.

Yeah they are all great role guys. Thing is the 2 of them plus MVS/Allison should be battling for 2/3 roster spots ideally.

[call_me_ishmael]

https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1194669081116303360

I started scouting in 2003. This upcoming WR class is the best I've ever seen.

Good news for the Packers. Don't be surprised if they take two in the top three rounds.

[texaspackerbacker]

Sheeeesh! Don't be surprised if we still don't take any WR at all, especially not early in the draft.

We need D Line help; We need O Line help; And unless they take my advice and move Lazard to TE, they need a quality TE. We also could certainly use a quality ILB, and you can never have too many cover Corners - arguably, Alexander is the only top quality one we have, and sometimes he hasn't been that great.

[run pMc]

https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/st...69081116303360



Good news for the Packers. Don't be surprised if they take two in the top three rounds.

Yeah, I've heard the next draft should be deep at WR, which is good news. I think they like MVS and Lazard, but they others? Meh. Kumerow and Allison are replacable, and they need someone to field punts.
I mostly agree with tex -- they need DL and especially ILB help. They need someone who can play OT also: Bulaga can't be counted on returning (or staying healthy), Bahk has had an off year, and Alex Light is JAG. I disagree with him (obvs) on the need for better WR talent.

I think between Tonyan and Sternberger they have a pair of young players they probably can work with at TE, but finding another player there would help them too. Barring a miraculous rejuvenation, Lewis and/or Graham are likely done.

Yeah, I could see them taking a Day 3 flyer on a corner too. Speaking of which, has anyone seen I Voted For Kadar Hollman? I thought he'd be getting some snaps by now, especially with King's bumps and bruises.
Depending on Dexter Williams, they might take another flyer on a RB, although I suspect they bring in some UDFAs.

[Fritz]

I have come to see Allison as a very, very limited player. He never was fast, but he doesn't even seem to use his height and length to grab contested balls. I don't think Lazard is much better, though he is younger so perhaps he can still grow into it.

Kumerow is okay, but I wouldn't keep him around next year if he's not a good special teams player.

MVS has been a bit of a mystery. He seems to really struggle to get open. Maybe he's a lousy route-runner, but I would hope he'd get better. His hands are not great, either. But maybe he'll get better. I'm less confident of that now than I was prior to the season.

I think they need to do what Ted did with the running backs a few years ago: draft about two or three in a row, maybe rounds three through five or something.

[beveaux1]

I have come to see Allison as a very, very limited player. He never was fast, but he doesn't even seem to use his height and length to grab contested balls. I don't think Lazard is much better, though he is younger so perhaps he can still grow into it.

Kumerow is okay, but I wouldn't keep him around next year if he's not a good special teams player.

MVS has been a bit of a mystery. He seems to really struggle to get open. Maybe he's a lousy route-runner, but I would hope he'd get better. His hands are not great, either. But maybe he'll get better. I'm less confident of that now than I was prior to the season.

I think they need to do what Ted did with the running backs a few years ago: draft about two or three in a row, maybe rounds three through five or something.

I think you were being facetious when you called for Gute to draft 2 or 3 WRs in a row in the middle rounds since we just did that 2 years ago and ended up with one trick pony and the saint.
We need a 1st or 2nd round WR with more tools in their tool chest than height and/or deep speed. Find one with hands, route running ability, deep speed, ability to shrug off jams,
a mind that knows when to break a route away from a defender with inside or outside leverage, and one with the discipline not to round routes so that he can end up where the pass is supposed to be.

Pick one with 3 or 4 of those abilities and you have a #2 receiver. If he also stands over 6' tall, he might be a future #1.

[run pMc]

I think they need to do what Ted did with the running backs a few years ago: draft about two or three in a row, maybe rounds three through five or something.

The thing is, Gute did this with R4-6 last year and got Moore (released), MVS (fighting thru knee/ankle injuries), and ESB (on IR). I agree they need to draft at least one more WR, but I'm not sure they want to draft 3 without expecting to release 2 of them. Those mid-round picks can be pretty valuable.
I could see them taking one in R2 a la Adams and then a late round flyer like in R6 or 7 to be a jitterbug and return punts.

Every team has holes, I suppose Gute et al. will prioritize the biggest ones, but I have to think besides WR and PR he's got to consider

Who steps up if Kenny Clark goes on IR?
Is Ibraheim Campbell the long-term answer to replacing Oren Burks?
Who steps in at RT if Bulaga walks?

[yetisnowman]

Is there anyone out there that thinks WR/TE position doesn't need a complete revamp? It's bad out there. They should trade up and sell out for Jerry Jeudy and I'm not even kidding. They wasted a good receiver draft last year. No more time to waste. Keep Davante, Lazard, Kumerow scrap the rest. And approach the goddamn offseason like you need to fill 3 spots. Keep trying to tell you guys this group is a HUGE liability

[texaspackerbacker]

TE yes. If there is anybody remotely like Kittle or Kelce in the draft, we ought to grab them - although arguably, our exposed damn O Line and our pathetic D Line and our easy to beat D Backs need more attention. And for all of the above, free agency should certainly be considered too.

WR, though, is a different story. The reason for lack of success against teams with excellent D is purely because of the shitty damn O Line and lack of time to throw. And we have been ok including to WRs against average D or lesser teams. It would be nice to have a speed burner like Will Fuller of the Texans for example, but arguably we already have that with Valdez-Scantling, and either way, the O Line just doesn't pass protect good enough - Rodgers mobility is an absolute necessity on virtually every play, and last night, even that wasn't enough.