Will Wide Receivers Hold Back This Offense?

[MadtownPacker]

Was at the 49ers game and repeatedly saw the receivers get open, and Rodgers refusing to pull the trigger.

Something has happened to him, and better receivers isn't going to fix it.

You the jinx!!! Actually it might be me. 3X I have seen Rodgers play and 3X have seen a loss.

You had pretty much the same angle as I did. I also saw what appeared to be him constantly looking for the big play instead of taking what the D gave him. Lamar Jackson did take what they gave him yesterday against the same defense, but in the rain, which helped SF defense from getting beat down by Jackson. Steady drives that took up time and kept the game close.

[MadtownPacker]

Uh oh. An eyewitness account. If Mad concurs, what will Tex do?

I already had said it foo!! You all were just too sad after watching Rodgers choke like he was eating a Castro district sausage Saturday night before the game.

[MadtownPacker]

You get a lot better view on TV than at the stadium - especially in the nosebleed seats those guys apparently were.

Whiners and ingrates can whine all they want. The fact remains we are 8-3 - primarily because the GOATness of Aaron Rodgers outweighs the mediocrity of most of the rest of the team. We would be strong favorites to win 3 of the next 5, moderate favorites at home against the Bears, and hardly an underdog even against the Vikings at their place. I wonder what ya'all will piss and moan about when we win out and go at least a couple of rounds in the playoffs.

MFer I was 35 rows from the field!! Corner endzone which gave me a perfect view of most of the field. I could make out the players faces all the way to the other 35 or 40 yard line. As others have mentioned you get to see a lot more extra than tv. I saw your GOAT being more of a lamb as he got eaten up holding the damn ball way too long. A few times WRs waving hand up calling for it!!

[pbmax]

A few times WRs waving hand up calling for it!!

To be fair, if this was all it took, Billy Schroeder would be in the Hall of Fame.

[MadtownPacker]

To be fair, if this was all it took, Billy Schroeder would be in the Hall of Fame.

My point being that there was options and Rodgers ignored them. My bias for Adams is well documented here so with great regret I agree with many saying he needs to see less targets on O. At least against fast ferocious defenses like SF.

[texaspackerbacker]

MFer I was 35 rows from the field!! Corner endzone which gave me a perfect view of most of the field. I could make out the players faces all the way to the other 35 or 40 yard line. As others have mentioned you get to see a lot more extra than tv. I saw your GOAT being more of a lamb as he got eaten up holding the damn ball way too long. A few times WRs waving hand up calling for it!!

I was going by that picture somebody posted of the view from where you were sitting. I've been to 3 Packer games the past 4 years as well as 4 Badger games in the same time frame, and I stand by what I said, you can't see as much there as on TV.

And I damn well want my QB to take his time and not put it up for grabs. Give me Rodgers or Wilson or Watson any day over Daniel Jones last week or just about any other QB in pro or college football who does things the way some in here crave, and loses games with interceptions because of it.

[run pMc]

My point being that there was options and Rodgers ignored them.

This happens every game... off the top of my head I can think of at least two instances on the GB-NYG broadcast where I could see someone wide open while Rodgers scanned the field and went for a deeper throw instead of a safer/easier completion. It's great when it works, but IMO it's more of a gamble than taking the easy completion. Watching it reminds me of last year's offense.

FWIW, depending on what you're looking for, you can get a better view from either the TV or the stadium. The stadium is more of an All-22 thing where you can see the WR releases/patterns and the coverages better. TV tends to focus on the LOS and whomever has the ball. Most of the time you can't see where the safeties are lined up from TV.

[pbmax]

I give Rodgers this: GMo and MVS aren't catching short passes and making hay. Same problem with Graham and Luxury Automobile. Jones and Adams can do this.

You can completely shut your own offense down by just throwing short stuff. Its easier to defend. Even Brady takes his shots (see the Houston game for what that offense looks like without being able to get deep).

So I understand Rodgers is trying to break out of that pattern (see Packers, end of 2014, 2015 and 10 games of 2016). Remember the 2 yard Dick Rod flat route.

Its an issue because he isn't connecting deep like he has previously. Some of that is on the receiver, but some of it is on Rodgers and his attempts to perfect the long bomb mid throw (extra hop step, little more air, little more time).

However, just as big an issue are the problems on first down. Running is wonderful (Packers are 4th in DVOA for running) but running on first down hasn't worked for several weeks.

You take bad 1st down running game, pre-snap penalties and a few extra 2nd and 3rd down misfired bombs, and what is an overall effective offense (8th in DVOA) just looks dreadful for quarters at a time. Its a pity Lazard looks to be better at deeper mid range routes. What they really need is someone Rodgers likes on a slant or crosser.

Packers need some plays other teams cannot stop. Right now that list is either plays to Adams or Jones, one of which the defense will choose to shut down.

[yetisnowman]

It was crazy watching the replay of Geronimo's final catch. The defender wasn't pressing and the angle for the 5 yard out was there for the taking. Dude runs this rounded, herky-jerky looking pattern with zero burst out of his break. He's still open by a foot and Aaron puts it perfectly in his hands. Even a decent, angular route would have created easy, ample space. And decent defense would have nullified his route entirely. It was such a poor fundamental play, you can easily see why the guy goes long stretches without getting targeted. Most teams 3rd or 4th corner can render him useless with proper technique.

[pbmax]

It was crazy watching the replay of Geronimo's final catch. The defender wasn't pressing and the angle for the 5 yard out was there for the taking. Dude runs this rounded, herky-jerky looking pattern with zero burst out of his break. He's still open by a foot and Aaron puts it perfectly in his hands. Even a decent, angular route would have created easy, ample space. And decent defense would have nullified his route entirely. It was such a poor fundamental play, you can easily see why the guy goes long stretches without getting targeted. Most teams 3rd or 4th corner can render him useless with proper technique.

Do you remember video of practice during Adams rookie year? Before the NFL forbid it?

You could see a simple drill running an in and out cutting route by all the WR and it was clear which guy could break the route off quickly.

[yetisnowman]

It's still nauseating to think we could have traded out of the Gary pick, still got Savage, and added 2 of Hollywood/Metcalf/Samuel/AJ Brown/Hardman.
How different would this team look?
My fear is we are now going to add talented pieces the next couple of years, but Aaron isn't good enough anymore for it to matter.
Hopefully we can agree that the answer to this thread is a resounding yes. And that standing pat with these scrubs was a big mistake.

[mraynrand]

It's still nauseating to think we could have traded out of the Gary pick, still got Savage, and added 2 of Hollywood/Metcalf/Samuel/AJ Brown/Hardman.
How different would this team look?
My fear is we are now going to add talented pieces the next couple of years, but Aaron isn't good enough anymore for it to matter.
Hopefully we can agree that the answer to this thread is a resounding yes. And that standing pat with these scrubs was a big mistake.

If Rodger's skills drop off to the level of say, a Garoppolo, there's no way this team can ever win. No path to victory ever again.

[Cheesehead Craig]

If Rodger's skills drop off to the level of say, a Garoppolo, there's no way this team can ever win. No path to victory ever again.

I believe you

[pbmax]

Its Gute's one big personnel miscalculation.

Other than questions about Pettine, its the only mark on year 2.

[Zool]

I believe you

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