TC OL thread

[Radagast]

IMO, GB's Offensive Line Depth currently list as follows.


-------- #1 ---------- #2 ------

LT : D. Bakhtiari /// A. Light

LG : L. Taylor /// E. Jenkins

C : C. Linsley /// J. McCray

RG : B. Turner /// L. Patrick

RT : B Bulaga /// G. de Beer


Alex Light would be my first choice to start if a need arises at either the LT or RT positions.

Elgton Jenkins may beat out Lane Taylor for the LG position based upon better run blocking skills.

How many Offensive Linemen that will make the final roster, I can't say. Is there a standard "Keep" number of players?

[run pMc]

Bulaga will not be cut. They may have guys developing, but I doubt any of them are better than him right now. Maybe Turner, but I think you want to keep him at RG and slide him to RT if/when an injury occurs.

If I'm Gute, I keep Bulaga and draft a OT next year while continuing to develop the guys they have. The interior depth is better that at OT, and I think they are a year away from fully resolving that.
Taylor would be a more likely cut than Bulaga because of depth, but even if Jenkins outplays him he's probably the top backup at G, and they even got by with him a LT for a game, so he's probably worth keeping over their 8th or 9th OL.

[mraynrand]

^^^ Good points; should be interesting.

Before being sure that Light can backup RT and Jenkins LG, I'd feel better seeing them actually play those spots. If they haven't (I may have missed it) or they don't in future PS games, it suggests either they are limited and/or the coaches want them to focus on those specific positions. See what happens there too.

[RashanGary]

IMO, GB's Offensive Line Depth currently list as follows.


-------- #1 ---------- #2 ------

LT : D. Bakhtiari /// A. Light

LG : L. Taylor /// E. Jenkins

C : C. Linsley /// J. McCray

RG : B. Turner /// L. Patrick

RT : B Bulaga /// G. de Beer


Alex Light would be my first choice to start if a need arises at either the LT or RT positions.

Elgton Jenkins may beat out Lane Taylor for the LG position based upon better run blocking skills.

How many Offensive Linemen that will make the final roster, I can't say. Is there a standard "Keep" number of players?

Common numbers I’ve seen are 8,9,10 OL with 10 being sort of rare. I expect 9 this year. 10 is possible.

Youth, upside, versatility.... Pankey and maybe Madison are in the conversation too.

MLF was asked what the brightest spot of the joint practices was and he said the OL and DL. He said he thought we dominated the lines of scrimmage, especially the OL. And he said it was 1st string, second string and third. That’s when it first crossed my mind that some of these young guys are showing NFL stuff. If they’re as good as the Packers think, and they know more than we do, that’s what opens up the possibility of going with talented, productive and inexpensive youth over more polished, expensive and declining age.

As far as preseason games go, Houston was the cleanest OL performance I remember... ever, really. So that further adds to my confidence in what MLF said about his young OL talent. And with that, I do think there might be a rather large surprise on the horizon. Only reason it’s a surprise is because we know so little about where these young guys are at and they know so much. The reason I believe my viewpoint over the common consensus here is because I think ive listened better to the people who could shed insight and then started watching sooner to see if it were true.

[Radagast]

I see Alex Light as the "next man" should a problem occur at the LT or the RT position. He has the size, strength, and skills needed to step in and give a seamless performance if needed. In addition, I believe that Bulaga may be traded following this season (provided he can remain healthy) and Alex Light replacing him at the RT position.

Billy Turner should have a lock on the RG positions for the next 5 to 6 seasons just as Bakhtiari should have a similar lock on the LT position. Corey Linsley is also in the prime of his carrier and should have the Center position locked up for as long as he can play the position well.

My concern lies with the LG position. Lane Taylor's strength is pass blocking, but that might not be enough with new HC LaFleur's more run weighted offense. Elgton Jenkins may be the better run blocker, but could his pass blocking make for less protection for Rodgers. Can Pankey or another on the roster fit HC LaFleur's offense? I doubt it. For this reason i would not be at all surprised if GM Gutekunst and HC LaFleur were not at this moment searching for a way to trade Taylor and possibly more for a LG that better fits the new offense. Who they may want to trade for or how it might go down, I can't say. However with the ease that Mike Daniels departed, don't be shocked if such a deal takes place and soon.

[RashanGary]

I see what you’re saying radagast.

I notice fans in large have given up on listening to coach speak. Hundreds of times coaches say great things and stories get written only to find out its bullshit. So..... I have a different method. I follow the common fan in ignoring coach speak when the coach was asked about a specific player. HOWEVER, I do listen to every press conference and once in a while a coach is asked an open ended question like, what was a bright spot? and who do you think is most improved? Those two questions this offseason are the only two of meaning for me because the information was volunteered and they weren’t pressured to just say something nice to the camera. With no pressure at all, Pettine and MLF, respectively, talked about Montravius and the OL. Daniels and Spriggs being cut show they meant it, the preseason games back it up. So with that, I think I have a better than what’s common way of truely gleaning information in the offseason where most fans have given up. Me listening to every presser gives me and edge too. So I’m sticking with my opinions, while I do respect yours more than the usual fan jokes and sarcasm.

[Radagast]

I see what you’re saying radagast.

I notice fans in large have given up on listening to coach speak. Hundreds of times coaches say great things and stories get written only to find out its bullshit. So..... I have a different method. I follow the common fan in ignoring coach speak when the coach was asked about a specific player. HOWEVER, I do listen to every press conference and once in a while a coach is asked an open ended question like, what was a bright spot? and who do you think is most improved? Those two questions this offseason are the only two of meaning for me because the information was volunteered and they weren’t pressured to just say something nice to the camera. With no pressure at all, Pettine and MLF, respectively, talked about Montravius and the OL. Daniels and Spriggs being cut show they meant it, the preseason games back it up. So with that, I think I have a better than what’s common way of truely gleaning information in the offseason where most fans have given up. Me listening to every presser gives me and edge too. So I’m sticking with my opinions, while I do respect yours more than the usual fan jokes and sarcasm.

Thank You JH

I tend not to listen to the pressers or even the talking TV Heads as a rule. Instead I process the hard core articles written by the guys in the trenches. By watching the LA Rams as well as LaFleur's Tennessee Titans it is very clear that the running game is a more important part of the offense than on most teams. Next, with that knowledge I looked at the GB offensive roster to try to see if any players did/did not fit well in the new offensive system. What I've seen is GB loading up on RBs and FBs. In addition, 4 of the 5 offensive linemen for GB run block pretty well. The weak link could be with the LG position. Taylor while a fine pass blocker is a slow run blocker and pulling guards will be of great value in LaFleur's offensive system. At the same time the LG position must be relied upon to pass block for Rodgers. I don't know if Jenkins qualifies, but still I see a Taylor trade in the near future.

I'll be carefully watching the OL vs the Ravens in GB's 2nd preseason scrimmage.

[RashanGary]

Bulaga just named captain for preseason game. He’s not going anywhere. They’d be cold to do that and then trade or cut him.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Bulaga just named captain for preseason game. He’s not going anywhere. They’d be cold to do that and then trade or cut him.

Does Rodgers do the photobombing of the captain's pics in preseason or is that just regular season and playoffs?

[bobblehead]

IMO, GB's Offensive Line Depth currently list as follows.


-------- #1 ---------- #2 ------

LT : D. Bakhtiari /// A. Light

LG : L. Taylor /// E. Jenkins

C : C. Linsley /// J. McCray

RG : B. Turner /// L. Patrick

RT : B Bulaga /// G. de Beer


Alex Light would be my first choice to start if a need arises at either the LT or RT positions.

Elgton Jenkins may beat out Lane Taylor for the LG position based upon better run blocking skills.

How many Offensive Linemen that will make the final roster, I can't say. Is there a standard "Keep" number of players?

In reality its more like this:

-------- #1 ---------- #2 ------

LT : D. Bakhtiari /// A. Light /// B. Turner

LG : L. Taylor /// E. Jenkins /// C. Madison

C : C. Linsley /// E. Jenkins /// J. McCray

RG : B. Turner /// E. Jenkins /// C. Madison

RT : B Bulaga /// B. Turner w/Jenkins playing RG /// De Beers or Pankey

Suit up 7 on game day Starters Plus Jenkins and Light. I don't think they usually suit up 8, but if they did Not sure who 8 would be.

[bobblehead]

I see Alex Light as the "next man" should a problem occur at the LT or the RT position. He has the size, strength, and skills needed to step in and give a seamless performance if needed. In addition, I believe that Bulaga may be traded following this season (provided he can remain healthy) and Alex Light replacing him at the RT position.

Billy Turner should have a lock on the RG positions for the next 5 to 6 seasons just as Bakhtiari should have a similar lock on the LT position. Corey Linsley is also in the prime of his carrier and should have the Center position locked up for as long as he can play the position well.

My concern lies with the LG position. Lane Taylor's strength is pass blocking, but that might not be enough with new HC LaFleur's more run weighted offense. Elgton Jenkins may be the better run blocker, but could his pass blocking make for less protection for Rodgers. Can Pankey or another on the roster fit HC LaFleur's offense? I doubt it. For this reason i would not be at all surprised if GM Gutekunst and HC LaFleur were not at this moment searching for a way to trade Taylor and possibly more for a LG that better fits the new offense. Who they may want to trade for or how it might go down, I can't say. However with the ease that Mike Daniels departed, don't be shocked if such a deal takes place and soon.

I view it closer to this:

Bulaga is FA after the season so he won't be traded, he will depart. Turner was signed to be our RT next year. Jenkins was drafted to be an interior backup tihs year and take over the RG next year. LG is up in the air right now, but has a lot of options to be sorted out. Taylor, Madison, McCray, Patrick are all in the conversation....as is an outside option.

I believe that is the plan, but as they say, Man plans and God laughs.

[Radagast]

I view it closer to this:

Bulaga is FA after the season so he won't be traded, he will depart. Turner was signed to be our RT next year. Jenkins was drafted to be an interior backup tihs year and take over the RG next year. LG is up in the air right now, but has a lot of options to be sorted out. Taylor, Madison, McCray, Patrick are all in the conversation....as is an outside option.

I believe that is the plan, but as they say, Man plans and God laughs.

You have a very good point there bobblehead, but if you wear a hat, people won't notice !

Seriously though, I believe that Alex Summers is the future Right Tackle to replace Bulaga following this season. Until then he will stand ready to step in at RT or LT if the need arises.

Finally while I have your attention, I for one would greatly enjoy it if you would post a thread explaining offensive sets, passing routes, cover vs blitzing defenses, etc.. I know that you could finally teach some of members in this forum about the fundamentals of the game of football. I know that I would read, learn, and enjoy such a thread.

[RashanGary]

It’s so frustrating to watch kizer. Ugh.

[texaspackerbacker]

The O Line didn't look very good tonight - even against the lower levels of Raven D. That is a bit worrisome, because unlike various aspects of offense and much of what the D does - where they probably are holding back in these early games, what you see is probably what you get with the O Line.

Jenkins got a lot of snaps at center tonight, and he wasn't too bad. Just about everybody else, though, was mediocre on the high end and downright bad on the low end.

BTW, Radagast, who the hell is "Alex Summers"? hahahahahaha. Can you shed some Light on it?

[bobblehead]

You have a very good point there bobblehead, but if you wear a hat, people won't notice !

Seriously though, I believe that Alex Summers is the future Right Tackle to replace Bulaga following this season. Until then he will stand ready to step in at RT or LT if the need arises.

Finally while I have your attention, I for one would greatly enjoy it if you would post a thread explaining offensive sets, passing routes, cover vs blitzing defenses, etc.. I know that you could finally teach some of members in this forum about the fundamentals of the game of football. I know that I would read, learn, and enjoy such a thread.

Pb and KY are probably much more knowledgeable than I am regarding covers and blitz sets. They have done some good threads in the past....where is KY by the way??

As for my area which is mostly OL and DL, I just don't have time to delve into like a lot of years. I meant to break down every position group this off season and I got to 3 of them and QB barely counts.

I will touch on this because I like beating my dead horse. Offenses have adapted and begun using RBs in routes and TEs flexing all over the place to eliminate predictability. MM never adjusted which is why he is gone. The offensive sets and motions in todays game as LeFlavor would say, give the illusion of complexity, but really they boil down to basics that are disguised by initial sets and motions.