TC OL thread

[pbmax]

Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL
McClain: Texans must be grounded before they can soar

https://houstonchronicle.com/sports/columnists/mcclain/article/McClain-Texans-must-be-grounded-before-they-can-14308267.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Stephanie Stradley @StephStradley
Counterpoint:
1. @fboutsiders DVOA shows that the Texans rushing game was horribly inefficient throughout the season except against JAX/TEN. Worse if you don’t include Watson running for his life.

2. Houston allowed 62 sacks. What they are trying with the run, ain’t working.




3. pbmax @pbmax
Running ineffectively doesn't help your passing game at all. Whatever effect your willingness to run has in slowing down the pass rush is negated by the bad down and distance situations you put yourself in. And its probably true that the D line's willingness to pay attention to the RB is controlled by the defense, especially early, than it is by your bold run often campaign.

[texaspackerbacker]

I was able to see quite a few Texan games last season. They "combatted a pass rush"/dealt with having an inadequate O Line in much the same way the Packers did and will again this season: Dashaun Watson isn't quite Aaron Rodgers in terms of being both extremely mobile and an extremely accurate passer, but he's pretty damn close. The way you deal with a pass rush when your line can't pass block worth crap is to have a QB who is ready, willing, and able to scramble, most of the time to scramble and throw.

[mraynrand]

I was able to see quite a few Texan games last season. They "combatted a pass rush"/dealt with having an inadequate O Line in much the same way the Packers did and will again this season: Dashaun Watson isn't quite Aaron Rodgers in terms of being both extremely mobile and an extremely accurate passer, but he's pretty damn close. The way you deal with a pass rush when your line can't pass block worth crap is to have a QB who is ready, willing, and able to scramble, most of the time to scramble and throw.

I suppose this might be good take if Rodgers were in his third season.

[RashanGary]

Elgton Jenkins had 25% of snaps. Lane Taylor 75% at LG. I was kind of hoping Jenkins would get a few weeks to work out and be strong. Rookie seasons wear guys down. At least he had those first two weeks. 14 games is less grueling than 16.

[bobblehead]

Jenkins will take that job in time. I have adjusted my opinion on Bulaga though. Should he make it through this season healthy I see a decent 3 year contract with us as a probability.

[RashanGary]

Jenkins will take that job in time. I have adjusted my opinion on Bulaga though. Should he make it through this season healthy I see a decent 3 year contract with us as a probability.

I’m starting to lean that way too. Cut ties with Graham, Tramon and Mercedes. Make Bulaga the resident old guy.

[bobblehead]

Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL
McClain: Texans must be grounded before they can soar

https://houstonchronicle.com/sports/columnists/mcclain/article/McClain-Texans-must-be-grounded-before-they-can-14308267.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Stephanie Stradley @StephStradley
Counterpoint:
1. @fboutsiders DVOA shows that the Texans rushing game was horribly inefficient throughout the season except against JAX/TEN. Worse if you don’t include Watson running for his life.

2. Houston allowed 62 sacks. What they are trying with the run, ain’t working.




3. pbmax @pbmax
Running ineffectively doesn't help your passing game at all. Whatever effect your willingness to run has in slowing down the pass rush is negated by the bad down and distance situations you put yourself in. And its probably true that the D line's willingness to pay attention to the RB is controlled by the defense, especially early, than it is by your bold run often campaign.

Simply don't have the time to beat this dead horse. We are 2-0 running more efficiently and often. Our D is fresh and dominant. Play action is awesome when we use it. Running still allows you to wear down a DL so it has MANY impacts and DOES help slow a pass rush. The Rams, Pats, Saints all run effectively and often. Who played in the NFCC and AFCC last year, I forget? Who keeps drafting RBs high...not the packers I'll say that.

Notice the new metric stats geeks are suddenly using...run efficiency. Yea, AJones was more efficient than Cook was Sunday. Incidentally the Vikes, down 21-0 KEPT RUNNING. They almost ended up winning. You think fat mike would call ONE run play down 21-0?? Jones set Rodgers up with favorable down/distance all day sunday. Rodgers did NOT play a good game, but it wasn't BECAUSE we ran too much.

[bobblehead]

PS...the Texans are down to using a scat back as their primary. The problem isn't that they call too many run plays or that running doesn't help.

[mraynrand]

Simply don't have the time to beat this dead horse. We are 2-0 running more efficiently and often. Our D is fresh and dominant. Play action is awesome when we use it. Running still allows you to wear down a DL so it has MANY impacts and DOES help slow a pass rush. The Rams, Pats, Saints all run effectively and often. Who played in the NFCC and AFCC last year, I forget? Who keeps drafting RBs high...not the packers I'll say that.

Notice the new metric stats geeks are suddenly using...run efficiency. Yea, AJones was more efficient than Cook was Sunday. Incidentally the Vikes, down 21-0 KEPT RUNNING. They almost ended up winning. You think fat mike would call ONE run play down 21-0?? Jones set Rodgers up with favorable down/distance all day sunday. Rodgers did NOT play a good game, but it wasn't BECAUSE we ran too much.

Rodgers has been best out of play action. No doubt about it. PBmax pointed out in another thread that Packers haven't figured out 3rd and long in this new offense. Probably because Rodgers is struggling. I hate to break it to people, but the receivers aren't the only problem on offense and may not even been more of a problem than Rodgers himself.

[bobblehead]

Rodgers has been best out of play action. No doubt about it. PBmax pointed out in another thread that Packers haven't figured out 3rd and long in this new offense. Probably because Rodgers is struggling. I hate to break it to people, but the receivers aren't the only problem on offense and may not even been more of a problem than Rodgers himself.

Nobody has 3rd and long figured out....unless the strategy is "play the dolphins"

[gbgary]

I’m starting to lean that way too. Cut ties with Graham, Tramon and Mercedes. Make Bulaga the resident old guy.

those first 3 are gone for sure imo. bulaga's had a great start. 6th highest graded OT so far (which includes LT's) by pff.

[gbgary]

Rodgers has been best out of play action. No doubt about it. PBmax pointed out in another thread that Packers haven't figured out 3rd and long in this new offense. Probably because Rodgers is struggling. I hate to break it to people, but the receivers aren't the only problem on offense and may not even been more of a problem than Rodgers himself.

been saying for years i wish rodgers would work from under center more. aaaaand yup.

[Radagast]

Nobody has 3rd and long figured out....unless the strategy is "play the dolphins"

mraynrand doesn't need any help at being a jackass, but I do enjoy it when the hero breaths on the villain and he falls into the horse trough.

As for GB's running game, one 100+ yd running game and the pass happy cheese eaters begin chasing the bandwagon. As the new GB offense matures and more 100+ yd running games come to "pass" (ha ha ), expect plenty to be jumping on board.

GB's defense is primarily responsible for the Bears/Vikings wins. IMO, Coach Pettine deserves credit for shaping this Packers Defense with the support of GM Gutekunst supplying players. If this Packer Defense is really as good as they appear, the 2020 NFL Draft may well find GB's focus change to offensive weapons like WR, RB, and TE.

[texaspackerbacker]

Radagast said correctly, we won the first two games primarily because of our defense - that and having a QB who did not overtly lose the game. It was not because of increased or more efficient run plays - although I would concede the O Line has blocked better and the run game has been better this season. The goodness of the offense, though, as was on display early in the Vikings game, was when we passed first to set up a few change of pace runs. The fact is, Jones found more room to run when they passed first and often. Then, we went back to LaFleur's "new offense", and 21-0 dropped to 21-16 - but a win is a win is a win hahahahaha.

Strangely, I haven't read anything in Packerrats about the alleged "spat" between Rodgers and LaFleur during the game (or was it discussed here and I missed seeing it?). Maybe that "spat" - if indeed it happened - was about getting away from what got us the quick 21 points.

[pbmax]

Nobody has 3rd and long figured out....unless the strategy is "play the dolphins"

Yeah, but Rodgers used to figure it out on his own four times a game. Kinda spoiled here.