TC OL thread

[bobblehead]

We should call you Smrt Rat!

Nooooo....that is the curse of taking a really foolish position really soon!!!!

Edit: Wait...shit, is my living room on fire??

[bobblehead]

A part of what his players do well relates to the OL as well. And on NFL gamepass, Joe Thomas and Taylor Lewan are tackles and both of them talk about second level blocking. So it is in the job description of being a complete NFL offensive tackle.

But yes, you were mostly right

It is, but mainly on the backside. A backside tackle that gets the second level can create some huge running plays. But there aren't many who are good at it that I can think of. After seeing SF is a top running team I may have to watch a game or 2 to see how they are approaching their ZBS.

[pbmax]

Guards need to get to the second level more often that tackles in the Packers outside zone. Hardest blocks are the center reach blocking the play side DT or nose and the backside Guard getting to a pursuing ILB.

[Radagast]

Guards need to get to the second level more often that tackles in the Packers outside zone. Hardest blocks are the center reach blocking the play side DT or nose and the backside Guard getting to a pursuing ILB.

More than any other poster, bobblehead's post make better sense as I believe that he actually has had real playbook experience. The rest are just big talk and perhaps some Pop Warner experience a "long" time ago.

I nominate bobblehead for Head Coach Rat and with that should go more status to correct/inform/and overrule the chronically wrong. He should be provided with a "veto" stamp that he could place it upon post that, in his unchallenged opinion, deserve it.

bobblehead, run for site moniter and you will get my vote.


P.S. bobblehead, I believe that in the 2020 NFL Draft that GB should look for a WR 1st and 2nd a 300 lb+ OT that can better fit the future of the Packers offense. What say you Sir ?

[pbmax]

More than any other poster, bobblehead's post make better sense as I believe that he actually has had real playbook experience. The rest are just big talk and perhaps some Pop Warner experience a "long" time ago.

I nominate bobblehead for Head Coach Rat and with that should go more status to correct/inform/and overrule the chronically wrong. He should be provided with a "veto" stamp that he could place it upon post that, in his unchallenged opinion, deserve it.

bobblehead, run for site moniter and you will get my vote.

I'll let the homecoming committee know you'd like to join.

You also couldn't go wrong with KYPack or Nutz, both of whom played and coach(ed). However, rather than sit in judgement and snipe, you could also do your own research and contribute some specifics liked you asked for a couple of days ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/05/21/differences-between-the-zone-and-power-running-schemes/

The first sequence shows bobble's backside Tackle cutting off second level pursuit. Its 22 personnel, which the Packers don't run a ton. The center also gets to the second level after a double team.

The second sequence shows both guards moving to cut down pursuit, though the backside guard has to stop because the LB is crashing through.

[mraynrand]

More than any other poster, bobblehead's post make better sense as I believe that he actually has had real playbook experience. The rest are just big talk and perhaps some Pop Warner experience a "long" time ago.

I nominate bobblehead for Head Coach Rat and with that should go more status to correct/inform/and overrule the chronically wrong. He should be provided with a "veto" stamp that he could place it upon post that, in his unchallenged opinion, deserve it.

bobblehead, run for site moniter and you will get my vote.

There are other forums that work like this, I'm sure. Send a PM to Madtown and see what his interest level is in having this place be scrubbed of posts that don't meet the criteria you demand.

[hoosier]

A 300+ lb. OT....That's a lot of off topic.

[bobblehead]

I'll let the homecoming committee know you'd like to join.

You also couldn't go wrong with KYPack or Nutz, both of whom played and coach(ed). However, rather than sit in judgement and snipe, you could also do your own research and contribute some specifics liked you asked for a couple of days ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/05/21/differences-between-the-zone-and-power-running-schemes/

The first sequence shows bobble's backside Tackle cutting off second level pursuit. Its 22 personnel, which the Packers don't run a ton. The center also gets to the second level after a double team.

The second sequence shows both guards moving to cut down pursuit, though the backside guard has to stop because the LB is crashing through.

You're also no slouch Pb, but I get you're not tooting your own horn here. KY has taught me a thing or 2, and Nutz doesn't usually get techy on design, but I know he has coached. JH is someone who genuinely tries to understand and educate himself in whatever he is discussing.

While I appreciate the call our Rad, the truth is there are a lot of knowledgeable posters on this site. Even though we snark at one another and sometimes even get bitchy, its a pretty tight knit group and the contributions of everyone is what keeps us all coming back.

My experience is playing some OL, and having a genuine interest in it. I never played a ZBS, but since Denver ate our lunch in the Owl of 1998 I have been fascinated with it.

I haven't seen us try to get the center to the 2nd level much, but the reach block is the key as stated. I think he gets a chip from the guard in some cases. Just a nightmare block to achieve.

[RashanGary]

I respect that there are people here who understand fundamentals of football more than I do. Wist, nutz, bobble... and people who have researched schemes more, Pb and people who are ridiculously detailed statisticians (Patler, Pb) Then there are a lot of people with a feel for the overall team like gbgary and mraynrand.

I’ve come a long way in understanding assignments and techniques, and also schemes and the overall evolution of football. But the reason I am now and have always been a winning gambler is because I have a feel for the people aspect of football and I’m capable of not getting lost in details but rather seeing things more simply and practically. As in, “does it work” and not sit and nit pick some minor detail of it. I also ignore stats and expert opinions because they are the mother of all losing sports betting.

I feel good about my strengths and the strengths of everyone else. I’m sure I’ve missed more than a few strengths in my list, there are a ton of knowledgeable football people here.

[bobblehead]

I wish Nutz would post more during the season, and I miss skin being a complete prick to everyone and their brother.

[RashanGary]

It is, but mainly on the backside. A backside tackle that gets the second level can create some huge running plays. But there aren't many who are good at it that I can think of. After seeing SF is a top running team I may have to watch a game or 2 to see how they are approaching their ZBS.

I watched SF earlier today. And Rams. I saw a couple screens with tackles out in space. Saw a bunch of stretch zone plays where the OT was moving quite a bit laterally on the play side (not Bulaga or Bakhs strengths)

[RashanGary]

My observation is that Bakh and Bulaga both have good feet in pass sets and mirror/anchor well in pass sets. They both do fine run blocking a guy straight in front of them and with inside zones.

They both look clumsy to me going forward or laterally.

[RashanGary]

Turner and Jenkins seem to have good balance and look agile going forward and laterally. Jenkins also looks to have high pass blocking upside. To me, Jenkins upside is our most complete OL. Bakk, Lindsley and Bulaga best pass blockers but have movement limitations.

[RashanGary]

Pff grades after 10 games

Bakhtiari 70 (starter)
Jenkins 65 (backup)
Linsley 64 (backup)
Turner 61 (backup)
Bulaga 73 (starter)

I do think this is somewhat reasonable. Football outsiders has them as top 10 overall OL. The strength is that there isn’t a glaring weakness. The weakness is that there isn’t really a true strength.

[Bretsky]

Pff grades after 10 games

Bakhtiari 70 (starter)
Jenkins 65 (backup)
Linsley 64 (backup)
Turner 61 (backup)
Bulaga 73 (starter)

I do think this is somewhat reasonable. Football outsiders has them as top 10 overall OL. The strength is that there isn’t a glaring weakness. The weakness is that there isn’t really a true strength.

Very reasonable; some random points

Back seems to be having an off year, but he's still pretty good
Bulaga.....is really good when he can stay on the field
For a draft pick, Jenkins is doing great

I think Turner and Linsley are both fine; not weak but not strong