Damn LaFleur

[call_me_ishmael]

I wouldn't say the offense is playing better than in years. They got pretty hot in 2016 when they ran the table. They have looked inconsistent this year, same as the past two years. There are signs to be encouraged going forward but I would quell your excitement a bit and remember it was 42 points against the Raiders, not a real team.

[Bretsky]

Rodgers is playing at an MVP level. Twitter is littered with hilarious bonding moments between Lafleur and AR. Packers are 6-1 and one of the favorites to win the NFC. The offense is playing better than it has in years with one different starter from last year and no Davante Adams.

I’m not so sure Lafleur is the Problem, Tex....

Two Weeks ago I implied what has been missing from Rodgers game, and keeping him from being as good as he was is he's constantly missing the deep pass, often way off.

The last two games he's been accurate with those. He's really looked elite lately. That's a good thing for GB

[RashanGary]

Packers 9th ranked scoring defense
Packers 10th ranked scoring offense

One of 4 teams in the top 10 in both categories
Patriots
Vikings
Rams
Packers


Not to bad. Definitely one of the front runners.

[texaspackerbacker]

Rodgers is playing at an MVP level. Twitter is littered with hilarious bonding moments between Lafleur and AR. Packers are 6-1 and one of the favorites to win the NFC. The offense is playing better than it has in years with one different starter from last year and no Davante Adams.

I’m not so sure Lafleur is the Problem, Tex....

I'm slowly coming around to that point of view too, but what I see is LaFleur modifying his vaunted "new offense" to accomodate the GOATness of Rodgers. All of that "bonding" crap is as stupid as the soap opera drama crap of them not getting along was previously. Both are professionals, and both want to win, and it seems that both are willing to compromise just enough - which means more compromise from LaFleur. Running on early downs is not gonna go away completely, but it has been blended pretty well with passing. I was never very pleased with McCarthy wasting early downs with runs either. Now, that has at least been more effective and I think slightly less often. Maybe the O Line gets some of the credit; Maybe some of it is a better pair of RBs now; But I think most of the reason is scheme - and that is LaFleur.

Everything is all peace and love when we're winning. Hopefully, that will continue and increase.

[Radagast]

I'm slowly coming around to that point of view too, but what I see is LaFleur modifying his vaunted "new offense" to accomodate the GOATness of Rodgers. All of that "bonding" crap is as stupid as the soap opera drama crap of them not getting along was previously. Both are professionals, and both want to win, and it seems that both are willing to compromise just enough - which means more compromise from LaFleur. Running on early downs is not gonna go away completely, but it has been blended pretty well with passing. I was never very pleased with McCarthy wasting early downs with runs either. Now, that has at least been more effective and I think slightly less often. Maybe the O Line gets some of the credit; Maybe some of it is a better pair of RBs now; But I think most of the reason is scheme - and that is LaFleur.

Everything is all peace and love when we're winning. Hopefully, that will continue and increase.

HC LaFleur's offensive system, while new to the Packers this season, was/is used by the Titans and Rams and the 49ers I believe last year. It is different from Mike McCarthy's offense to be sure. GB's version of it does have the same basic fundamental principals, but any system has to adapt to the teams players, compensate for injuries, and take advantage of any special resources.

I said months ago that it would require time for the player chemistry and the new offensive system to come together. However this team has exceeded my expectations and produced a 6 - 1 record. Beyond the winning record, I like the balance that this team has and is improving on each week. Also, each opponent is thoughtfully planned for so as to take advantage of already researched tendencies. When running the rock is best, they run it. When passing is the answer, Rodgers distributes the ball with surgical skill.

I've not overlooked GB's defense, They are very good this season and have already earned the respect missing in seasons past. Neither the offense or the defense, IMO, are as good as they can be. By mid-December I hope to see Adams and Allison both actively flourishing in an offense that improved in their absence. Also, following a full season to form a close working unit, the defense should be ready to compete well against any team, including New England.

In my view, teams can be like a 6 chamber revolver. It can be loaded with a bullet in every other chamber, but that is not as reliable as loading all 6 chambers. A passing game without a running game leaves a chamber unloaded. The same thing also in the reverse. Having both is more reliable and effective. Perfect weather will not always be the order of the day as colder/wetter weather approaches. On such days, a good running game proves it's value most. Facing a team with a good front 7 and a weak secondary would then want to see the passing game emphasized. These are just two of the best reasons to not rely solely on just one asset. Defensive Secondary, Offensive Line, the Defensive front 7, and Special Teams are also most important assets too.

[RashanGary]

In my view, teams can be like a 6 chamber revolver. It can be loaded with a bullet in every other chamber, but that is not as reliable as loading all 6 chambers. A passing game without a running game leaves a chamber unloaded. The same thing also in the reverse. Having both is more reliable and effective. Perfect weather will not always be the order of the day as colder/wetter weather approaches. On such days, a good running game proves it's value most. Facing a team with a good front 7 and a weak secondary would then want to see the passing game emphasized. These are just two of the best reasons to not rely solely on just one asset. Defensive Secondary, Offensive Line, the Defensive front 7, and Special Teams are also most important assets too.

Finding good players is a challenge. Putting together and offense that does a lot of things well but is still simple enough for players to be effective at doing so many different things well is a challenge.

It’s not easy to be able to attack a lot of different ways, but it sets a team up for being able to navigate the post season gauntlet that is littered with teams who have absolutely dominant defensive strengths. Need to be able to hit those defenses where they’re soft and not bang ones head on the wall trying to beat them at their game.

[RashanGary]

The Packers seem to be good at doing a lot of different things on offense. That’s less likely to win any on paper regular season stat awards and more likely to win multiple post season games and a championship. I’m feeling good about the Packers offense

[Radagast]

Finding good players is a challenge. Putting together and offense that does a lot of things well but is still simple enough for players to be effective at doing so many different things well is a challenge.

It’s not easy to be able to attack a lot of different ways, but it sets a team up for being able to navigate the post season gauntlet that is littered with teams who have absolutely dominant defensive strengths. Need to be able to hit those defenses where they’re soft and not bang ones head on the wall trying to beat them at their game.

My 6 shooter analysis, in case you didn't notice, was aimed at Tex. His "old, streaking, screaming, running down main street, at the lunch hour, with his hair on fire (if he still has any) " rhetoric of pass is the only thing should be over with GB posting a 6-1 record. He can't see past his own oxygen bottles and has quickly or conveniently overlooked Jones' recent 4 TD game.

[pbmax]

Packers need a back to just leap over the pile like Walter Payton. Its been long enough no one will expect it.

[pbmax]

Wait, so you wanted them to run the ball? When the Packers have the greatest quarterback of all time back there, with four downs to work with? What the hell is wrong with you?

I'm sick of all you whiny bastards calling for running plays when the Packers have the best who's ever played the game at the quarterback position. You give Rodgers four shots from inside the ten yard line, don't waste any of that trying to run the ball. That's stupid. That's wasting your talent.

There . . . how'd I do, Tex?

One good sign for this collaboration is that they red zone offense went funky for about 2 games and then came back. And that was after a good start. Could be opponent related, but it definitely involved having a running back at least play action.

I like this for the obvious reasons, gives defense two things to watch and the fact that LaFleur and Rodgers adjusted rather than be stubborn.

[pbmax]

Both are professionals, and both want to win, and it seems that both are willing to compromise just enough - which means more compromise from LaFleur.

tex's Mom: Here is a candy bar for you and your sibling, tex. You split it in half and let them choose which half.

tex: Splits candy bar, stuffs larger half in mouth.

[RashanGary]

tex's Mom: Here is a candy bar for you and your sibling, tex. You split it in half and let them choose which half.

tex: Splits candy bar, stuffs larger half in mouth.

[bobblehead]

I'm slowly coming around to that point of view too, but what I see is LaFleur modifying his vaunted "new offense" to accomodate the GOATness of Rodgers. All of that "bonding" crap is as stupid as the soap opera drama crap of them not getting along was previously. Both are professionals, and both want to win, and it seems that both are willing to compromise just enough - which means more compromise from LaFleur. Running on early downs is not gonna go away completely, but it has been blended pretty well with passing. I was never very pleased with McCarthy wasting early downs with runs either. Now, that has at least been more effective and I think slightly less often. Maybe the O Line gets some of the credit; Maybe some of it is a better pair of RBs now; But I think most of the reason is scheme - and that is LaFleur.

Everything is all peace and love when we're winning. Hopefully, that will continue and increase.

For the hundredth time I ask if you even watch the games. Rodgers hitting 7-8 different guys a game. Hitting RBs and TEs underneath early to loosen up the coverages. You think this is a Flower accommodating Rodgers??

[bobblehead]

One good sign for this collaboration is that they red zone offense went funky for about 2 games and then came back. And that was after a good start. Could be opponent related, but it definitely involved having a running back at least play action.

I like this for the obvious reasons, gives defense two things to watch and the fact that LaFleur and Rodgers adjusted rather than be stubborn.

This is the area I give Rodgers the most credit. The one knock on the McVay/Shannahan model is weakness in the Redzone. ARod might be the best redzone QB I have ever seen.

[bobblehead]

tex's Mom: Here is a candy bar for you and your sibling, tex. You split it in half and let them choose which half.

tex: Splits candy bar, stuffs larger half in mouth.

Larger HALF??