Punting

[Patler]

According to the GB Press Gazette, Ryan averaged only 3.78 hang time on six punts. He won't be around long if that doesn't improve immediately.

[Bretsky]

If my memory serves me correctly his first one had next to no hang time as he shanked it and it to the right; he does have the leg. But he has a lot of refining to do to make it long term in the NFL

[OS PA]

I thought our coverage team did pretty damn well, except for the touchdown return. Did anybody else notice that when the broadcaster replayed what we did "wrong" on the return it showed two clips of our players being held, as well as Poppinga completely missing?

[Fritz]

Hey, everybody knew that Ryan wasn't going to come in and be Craig Hentrich right away. It's going to take some time. I'm of the opinion he'll get better and better, and by season's end GB will have its punter.

[MadtownPacker]

As bad as everything else was punting should be the least of our worries.

Plus he can be the backup QB.

[MJZiggy]

I thought our coverage team did pretty damn well, except for the touchdown return. Did anybody else notice that when the broadcaster replayed what we did "wrong" on the return it showed two clips of our players being held, as well as Poppinga completely missing?

Yes, I saw that!! I was screaming at the TV wanting it called back and nothing!! The officials must have been lifelong Bear fans because those were not the only lousy calls.

[red]

As bad as everything else was punting should be the least of our worries.

Plus he can be the backup QB.

plus the guys got some jets

did anyone else see him gaining on hester on the TD return?

i think i read were he did throw a bit in college and i know he also played wr

[woodbuck27]

As bad as everything else was punting should be the least of our worries.

Plus he can be the backup QB.

plus the guys got some jets

did anyone else see him gaining on hester on the TD return?

i think I read were he did throw a bit in college and I know he also played wr

Patler:

I have chosen to edit this post in accordance with my respect for YOU as a valuable and proper in your manners poster at PACKERRATS.

I am sory for any felt by YOU attck on YOU as that isn't /wasn't my intention.Am i defensive of Jon Ryan?

YES I AM.I am that for any person "in my naure'.That's just me and PLEASE accept this as you may or not.

I have no REAL issue with you Patler. I certainly respect YOU in accordance with your merit.

NOW I EDIT as I feel is right. I am mostly going to delete the multiple use of your handle. Patler.

Jon Ryan is one of he BETTER ATHLETES on the 53 man Roster.

Of all the things that anyone could choose to point the finger at?

YOU Patler... choose punting? Hahaha One of the MOST respected of ALL posters on this Forum... decides.

HE has to go there?

punting ? BIG PROBLEM.

Good God... HELP US ALL.

You'll appreciate this. YOUR "the MAN" with the Stat's.

I compared Jon Ryan's results, in anticipation of this sort of thread being posted, finger pointing. . .at OUR punter Jon Ryan. I was counting on someone taking on OUR punter. . and pointing to the only thing a Stat. Man has.

Let's burn Jon Ryan's ass, and let's do just that... always point at hang time which should be targeted at what. . Patler??

About 4.5 seconds work for YOU?

Now and of course Jon Ryan had one of those off days. He only punted for a 45.0 yard avg.

Jon Ryan's results yesterday - regarding punting average Compared to the other team's punters, reveals that Jon Ryan isn't the BEST punter in week #1. Yet in the NFL. He may never indeed be " the BEST ", Patler. I made it that 9 punters punted for a better average (than Jon Ryan's 45.0 yard avg.)

Nine (9) punters had an average >45 yards.

Six (6) punters punted for a 47 yard Avg. or >.

Four (4) punters averaged > 49 Yards.

Three >50 yards and M. McBriar of " the Cowboys " was TOPS with an average of 53.2 yards

and Plackemeir of " the Seahawks " punted for an average of 52.6 yards.

Jon Ryan at 45.0 yard avg.

Yes, Jon Ryan has to improve. Does Jon Ryan have to = " the BEST ".

I hope not.

I truly believe that. Jon Ryan will punt in the NFL with us, or some other NFL Team. If he desires that?

Oh, by the way Patler. T.O. had an awesome day for Dallas. Yup ! It was OUR punter. Damn . . .Jon Ryan. X 10

That is my Edit done patler and I apologize for my tone yesterday.I make no excuse for it it just was as it was.

I was out of line. .Patler. Not fair and misinterpreted your post and went off . . Ehh.

To be fair to me also the use of the word "immediately in the original post didn't sit well with me and it still doesn't sit well.

Jon Ryan will get it but he won't if he's CUT . .he won't " if the desired hangtime" is demanded immediately. That word is in me too pushy.

I'm a Canadian Irishman, Patler. I can be change a stance or arrive at TRUTH within some reasonable time constraint. . but NEVER pushed / shoved !! I wasn't raised that way.

GO PACK GO ! Packer fan faith.

[Bossman641]

Geez Woodbuck,

Why are you going off on him like that? All he did was point out that Ryan had a poor hang time average for the day, which was true.

I think he'll be a very good punter for the Packers. He certainly has the leg strength and he has shown in the past that he is able to boom long bombs with plenty of hang time. He just needs to become more consistent.

[Scott Campbell]

Geez Woodbuck,

Why are you going off on him like that?

Because he looks at Ryan like a favorite son. I doubt he'd get this fired up if Ryan was from Serbia.

I'm the same way about Alex Smith. 288 yards, 1 TD, 0 int's. Not a bad day for a guy who some think will never make it in the NFL.

[woodbuck27]

Geez Woodbuck,

Why are you going off on him like that? All he did was point out that Ryan had a poor hang time average for the day, which was true.

I think he'll be a very good punter for the Packers. He certainly has the leg strength and he has shown in the past that he is able to boom long bombs with plenty of hang time. He just needs to become more consistent.

I'm not going off on Patler, . Bossman64.

There isn't any anger in my post ...NONE. I am simply shocked that of all people Patler would point a finger at a Rookie NFL punter, when so much else is wrong with "the Green Bay Packers" that has little to do with alot of OUR players.

If you believe I went off on Patler? Then hang around and watch for what I am working up to... as YOU havn't seen nothing yet.

Punting on "the Packers" isn't something we need to point any finger at.

Compared to so much else that is really bad.

GO PACKERS !

[Patler]

I'm not sure why you bring up the Canadian issue, I certainly didn't and if you knew me, my family and my background you should be a bit ashamed for doing it.

If you read my posts here and on other boards I have mentioned a lot of problems with the team. I certainly have not focused on Ryan. I started this thread not to single out Ryan as yesterday's biggest problem but hopefully to discuss the whole punting issue, which has been unsettled in GB for years.

In the NFL hang time and consistency are emphasized more than distance by coaches, because lack of consistency in hangtime generally results in a big run back here and there. Often these tend to be game chagers. Probably not the case yesterday.

Hangtime has been an issue with Ryan from the start, and it could be his achilles heal this year. I posted an article a while back from one of his other tryouts in which the ST coach admired his leg strength, but commented that his technique for getting kicks off and developing hangtime could not be corrected in a single season, in all likelihood.

Which is better, kicking it 50 yards with a 20 yard return, or 35 yards and a fair catch? The more difficult question is this, which is better, 5 kicks of 45 yards with a net average of 38 and one kick returned for a TD; or 6 kicks of 40 yards and a net average of 34?

On the game yesterday, before the runback, the commentator mentioned the poor linedrive type kicks. The interesting thing is that the TD was not on a particularly bad kick.

It all comes down to a combination of distance and hangtime, to allow coverage to get downfield. Longer is not always better. Hangtime of 4.3 might be enough for a 42 or 43 yard punt, it might not be for a 50 or 55 yarder. Problems occur when the return man has a few yards to get going, get his head down and see defenders, etc.

[Bossman641]

Geez Woodbuck,

Why are you going off on him like that?

Because he looks at Ryan like a favorite son. I doubt he'd get this fired up if Ryan was from Serbia.

I'm the same way about Alex Smith. 288 yards, 1 TD, 0 int's. Not a bad day for a guy who some think will never make it in the NFL.

Not trying to change the subject here, but Smith looked real good to me yesterday. I didn't see him at all last year but I was expecting him to be a train wreck. He made some real nice throws.

Hopefully his newfound success is more a combination of the entrances of Antonio Bryant and Vernon Davis along with the improvement of Frank Gore than it is the disappearance of McCarthy's offense from SF.

[Guiness]

Patler - have to point it out...you're the first one to mention nationality in this thread - I know it's come up before, but wasn't mentioned here.

I also think Ryan will be able to punt for this team long term. I like that he's Canadian - with the limited number of Canucks in the league, it's great that a couple of them are with the Pack! - but regardless, I think he's a great find, and if he can be coached will be very good.

He did alright for his first NFL game - there's certainly room for improvement, but if that's where he starts, and gets better from there, we'll be just fine.

Can anyone who saw the game comment on this punt:
J.Ryan punts 37 yards to CHI 18, Center-R.Davis. D.Hester to CHI 34 for 16 yards (T.White).

Little 37yd chip shot - if it was done right, it shoulda been fair caught. What happened?

BTW Bidwell had a decent day - and a lot of work!
J. Bidwell 8 46.5 3 59

[Patler]

Patler - have to point it out...you're the first one to mention nationality in this thread - I know it's come up before, but wasn't mentioned here.

Yes, it was mentioned in Woodbuck's posting, apparently before he edited it, and they way I read it was an implication that I was complaining about Ryan because he is Canadian..