No Kaepernick workout thread?

[Teamcheez1]

There were specifically asking him to forfeit rights. There is a standard liability waiver that players sign every time they have a team workout. That is a forfeiture of rights that is standard and acceptable to virtually all players trying to get into the NFL.

The NFL tore that waiver up and wrote a new one that forfeited his rights (and future rights) to sue for their actions.

It was a trap engineering by Jeff Pash to protect the Legue for colluded for not hiring him. Its was a scam from start to finish.

The NFL does have a right to ask all players to abide by a standard of conduct. He was under no stricture at the time and has said he would not continue that form of protest.

Do you have a credit card? You give up your rights to sue in the terms and conditions.
Businesses have the right to reduce their liability. You want to do business with the big boys, you agree to their terms. You refuse, that's your choice, but you don't have the right to dictate terms.

I set the terms for people who want to do business with me, not them.

[Zool]

Reading this thread, I've discovered that PB is kinda cool. Thus, I am yielding this fight to him.

Is that because you don't understand some of the words?

[MadtownPacker]

^ A true litmus test for whether most have moved on.

For the record I don’t care about the kneeling crap. It was attention whore stuff as far as that goes. The victim mentality is what disgust me. I don’t believe he even wants to play anymore. Because if he does and fails then who can he blame? Laying blame and not taking responsibility for one’s own action and the consequences that happen because of them is what is sinking the ship. That’s why I say fuck him. Cuz I think the fuss is coming from a dishonest place. That is just my opinion of course.

I am glad this thread was started because it is a great NFL topic and I was interested in discussing it. But the pussy that Guinness is started making it about my beliefs (which he is actually incorrect about). He still hasnt responded about the post count he tried to run his mouth about!

Since I can remember, I have always enjoyed the “racial” wisecracks from other posters about Mexican this or that. I have also returned them gladly. I can’t think of anyone here who I would say is racist or offended me. And if they are racist on here (maybe Aynrand and Harlan)? Well I’m happy they are here. PackerRats has always welcomed all opinions. Even if untrue, even if aimed at the owner or the admins. Don’t expect acceptance on everything but do expect tolerance here. Yes sometimes it takes some restraint to not abuse the ban switch. That’s is as far as it goes. I have even lost friendships here over it. Retailguy would be a prime example. I turned my back on the man who had always been with me because the code here will not be broken. That code is the one that protects any info you provided here. Email, ISP and whatever people post. The only thing not allowed is shit that you would find on the dark web. Everything else is a “I didnt see a damn thing”. It’s what got this place started in the first place. I hold it close to heart, probably too much at times. This place isn’t for profit. It is for everyone to discuss, agree or fight. To make your ego boost for being right, or raise your blood pressure from getting pissed off.

Just like I told RashanGary, you all welcome come here, you are all home, and you are all loved.

[pbmax]

Chip Kelly has ruined a lot of lives and should be avoided at all costs.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Ok, that's an interesting statement - do you feel he alienated the shit out of NFL fans? To the point that they'd stop attending/watching?

It's the opposite of the way yetisnowman feels, and I wonder if you're right. Follow the money, the only explanation I can come up with for this is him in the league would hurt their bottom line.

Myself, I'm surprised that one of the 31 egotistical fiercely independent billionaires didn't decide he was going to win them some games, flip the rest of the league the finger and sign him.

Egoistical, not egotistical. Rand would concur with this, but he apparently is boycotting Packerrats due to a battered ego. Disagreed with Madtown re. Pig Five-0s.

Mostly, bigots fighting for the wrong side (i.e., Tony O’Day) are the ones offended by the kneel downs. Quasi-socialistic NFL would be cooler without them bigots.

[MadtownPacker]

APB - I am also guilty of it a bit as of late but let’s keep the FYI battles to FYI. I understand this topic kinda merges them so it is hard to avoid.

I was just messing with Aynrand on the racist crack. Harlan is still up for debate.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

APB - I am also guilty of it a bit as of late but let’s keep the FYI battles to FYI. I understand this topic kinda merges them so it is hard to avoid.

I was just messing with Aynrand on the racist crack. Harlan is still up for debate.

Word.

Ole Rand is still boycotting the forum, though. He used to post bad puns every day.

[George Cumby]

For the record I don’t care about the kneeling crap. It was attention whore stuff as far as that goes. The victim mentality is what disgust me. I don’t believe he even wants to play anymore. Because if he does and fails then who can he blame? Laying blame and not taking responsibility for one’s own action and the consequences that happen because of them is what is sinking the ship. That’s why I say fuck him. Cuz I think the fuss is coming from a dishonest place. That is just my opinion of course.

I am glad this thread was started because it is a great NFL topic and I was interested in discussing it. But the pussy that Guinness is started making it about my beliefs (which he is actually incorrect about). He still hasnt responded about the post count he tried to run his mouth about!

Since I can remember, I have always enjoyed the “racial” wisecracks from other posters about Mexican this or that. I have also returned them gladly. I can’t think of anyone here who I would say is racist or offended me. And if they are racist on here (maybe Aynrand and Harlan)? Well I’m happy they are here. PackerRats has always welcomed all opinions. Even if untrue, even if aimed at the owner or the admins. Don’t expect acceptance on everything but do expect tolerance here. Yes sometimes it takes some restraint to not abuse the ban switch. That’s is as far as it goes. I have even lost friendships here over it. Retailguy would be a prime example. I turned my back on the man who had always been with me because the code here will not be broken. That code is the one that protects any info you provided here. Email, ISP and whatever people post. The only thing not allowed is shit that you would find on the dark web. Everything else is a “I didnt see a damn thing”. It’s what got this place started in the first place. I hold it close to heart, probably too much at times. This place isn’t for profit. It is for everyone to discuss, agree or fight. To make your ego boost for being right, or raise your blood pressure from getting pissed off.

Just like I told RashanGary, you all welcome come here, you are all home, and you are all loved.

Epic Post.

[George Cumby]

Word.

Ole Rand is still boycotting the forum, though. He used to post bad puns every day.

Where is Rand? Is he really boycotting or on vacation?

[pbmax]

Here is your blow by blow:

Full Dissident @hbryant42
Update: spoke with numerous sources today to clarify some points: Kaepernick team heard from the NFL on Tuesday, 11/12 and was told of Saturday’s workout. They weren't given 36 hours to consider the offer. They were given two, from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. Take it or leave it.

2) Kaepernick’s team told the NFL there were “too many issues” to resolve with such short notice and proposed the following Tuesday, which was also a work day, allowing teams’ top decision makers to attend, and buy the negotiation more time. The NFL said no.

3) Kap atty: “If Saturday was such a magical day, I said let's move it to the following Saturday. They said no." That left Kaepernick to agree to the tryout before Hue Jackson and Joe Philbin knew they were running it or teams knew a workout was even happening.

4) On Tuesday, the NFLPA says it reached out to offer assistance, especially on the details of waiver which eventually doomed the deal. A PA source says the Kaepernick team was not particularly receptive, but the NFLPA did have a representative at Saturday’s workout.

5) By priority, the filming was the dealbreaker. “For two entities suing each other, that was the non-starter?” a Kap atty told me. “An independent camera made Colin believe it was a show of good faith after years of bad faith.” NFL source says workout offer itself = good faith.

6) To Kap’s attorney, none of the issues were “Unresolvable,” and they were convinced a deal would get done. The filming issue took precedence over the more-important waiver issue because Kaepernick’s team had no intention of signing it as presented.

7) Kap/NFLPA conflicted over a key point: the post-workout interview: If Kap said he would continue kneeling, would he be protected if his answer prompted no team to sign him? The PA said yes, b/c of 2019 deal protecting players from reprisal. Eric Reid/Kenny Stills kneel.

8) Kap attys say no, b/c the waiver forfeited his rights to take action against anything occurring at the workout, thus freeing the NFL from a potential 2nd collusion suit. “The terms were so broad I agreed with a Tweet: it would have been malpractice to sign it.”

9) Relocation became a real possibility late Friday/early Sat as talks disintegrated. Kap atty: “It looked coordinated but it was because Colin has so much support on the ground here with his Know Your Rights work in Atlanta".

10) One source said while the fault of the weekend to not get the workout done at the Falcons' facility was "80-20 the NFL's fault," the relationship with Kap is "scorched earth." Kap needed to reach out. Others believe the footage will spur curious GMs/coaches to watch.

11) Next: Nalley sent all 32 teams the raw footage of the workout with a note offering Colin to speak to any team either by phone or in person. Nalley said they are considering a 2nd workout during the owners meeting at Palm Beach in March where all 32 owners/GMs/coaches will be.

[pbmax]

Eric Reid @E_Reid35
Exactly. It was all an elaborate facade to get Colin to sign a waiver that forfeited his rights. But isn’t it interesting that when the league said it was ok, supposedly 25 teams showed up in ATL. Reeks of collusion

The idea that a special, short notice workout that the NFL arranged, which is not normal practice, is an example of "good faith" is interesting. As Reid points out, it also hints at the entire thing being arranged by the League office. Hence the waiver, hence the worry about collusion part 2.

[bobblehead]

There were specifically asking him to forfeit rights. There is a standard liability waiver that players sign every time they have a team workout. That is a forfeiture of rights that is standard and acceptable to virtually all players trying to get into the NFL.

The NFL tore that waiver up and wrote a new one that forfeited his rights (and future rights) to sue for their actions.

It was a trap engineering by Jeff Pash to protect the Legue for colluded for not hiring him. Its was a scam from start to finish.

The NFL does have a right to ask all players to abide by a standard of conduct. He was under no stricture at the time and has said he would not continue that form of protest.

Giving that they didn't put that clause in his original settlement, and he has a history of suing because he sucks, it only makes sense that if they give him this workout and he sucks they protect against him suing all over again. It would have been negligent to offer him this private workout and NOT protect against what he has a history of doing.

[bobblehead]

Think about the people that the Packers are trying to get you to think will successfully run the Packers offense if Rodgers goes down.

Joe Callahan
Laser Arm Show Boyle
DeShone Kizer
Brett Hundley
Scott Tolzien
Graham Harrell
Seneca Wallace

I don't care how good your scheme is. They aren't scoring enough points. In the last decade, only Matt Flynn was passably successful as a scheme fit.

BUT...Kap has no interest in playing, only being the center of attention. He doesn't want to be a content backup. No way I would want them to sign him.

[bobblehead]

I think it’s fair to ask is he the same after two years out. But he should have been in a camp rather than one of the other pud knockers.

That list of Packer backups is just embarrassing.

The same absolutely applies to Tebow. I don't see him suing or crying, or social justice warriors insisting he be brought in. Both are very similar imo. Good backups who bring too much controversy to be signed as backups.

[pbmax]

Giving that they didn't put that clause in his original settlement, and he has a history of suing because he sucks, it only makes sense that if they give him this workout and he sucks they protect against him suing all over again. It would have been negligent to offer him this private workout and NOT protect against what he has a history of doing.

Doesn't hold water. He can sue workout or not. The League wants you to think they are being magnanimous, but they are in reality staging it to protect themselves. If he has a workout and they can leak the problems (remember, they refused to let him or media film their session) they have created a sort of fact in the next round of lawsuit.

If he doesn't suck and is eventually signed, he can still sue over years not covered by first lawsuit unless he has signed that waiver. They want it covered either way. This wasn't an opportunity, its was a chess move.

If it was as easy to sue for this as you make it out, Reggie Gilbert or Jayrone Elliot would be suing for lost wages. The League settled because they were colluding, not because the consensus was that he could not play.

The League is more likely coordinating so that he is not signed to help them in future litigation. They have a tiger by the tail and are afraid to let go.