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[RashanGary]

Are you saying we should be picking the smash mouth football player with production versus the flashy guy with measurables ?

You fucker

[Bretsky]

You fucker

HAHA

You read right through the TRAP question.............

[Patler]

Side thought: I wonder if his numbers are at the expense of Bahktiari, i.e., Bahk is helping him out and Jenkins looks good for it, but it's causing Bahk's LT duties to slip? I honestly doubt it, but I do wonder if it's happening occasionally.

Larry McCarren has commented often about Jenkins, normally praising his run blocking while saying he is a good pass blocker, but subject to the expected rookie miscues in communication and reaction to what pass rushers do. So, you might be on to something re: Bakhtiari's seeming decline. McCarren seems to be very impressed with Jenkins, saying all he needs is experience.

[Radagast]

I wonder if these percentages are based on sacks, or just pressures. Rodgers escapes a lot of pressures, especially up the middle.

As rare as I agree with Tex, I must say that he had a valid question. I read no negatives in his post. Also, the three second rule should serve as a mark to bear in mind for some posters.

I'm well pleased with the Packers offensive line play this season. Bulaga's play at LT may be the weak link due to his past injuries. I look for a 1st or 2nd round draft pick to take a LT for the Pack in the 2020 NFL Draft.

I've heard from loads of former coaches/players over the years that the real evaluation of an O-line is not based upon individual play, but on how well they play together as a TEAM. That said, one player can disrupt the play of the entire line. This 2019 O-line may not be the best in the NFL, yet they do play well together and are getting better as a unit every game. IMO, the run blocking in particular has seen marked improvement as the season has progressed.

[pbmax]

I think the emphasis on holding is killing Bach this year, plus whatever is physically ailing him.

His hands on the outside of the shoulder pads technique is getting all sorts of penalty attention this year.

[KYPack]

I realize that I risk the "wrath of Rada" with this post, but Bulaga is the RT. We won't be drafting an LT high in the upcoming draft . Bahk has been real shaky this season and the assumption that he's playing hurt. They've committed to him and he will be our LT for a few years in the future. BB is one tough bastard and has hung tough for many seasons now. Jenkins has been extremely impressive. He continues to improve each game in what has been an extremely impressive rookie season.

As several posters have mentioned, he is the kind of guy with the skills to transition to a OT position. It wouldn't shock me for the FO to look to him as the RT of the future

[Fritz]

Be funny if, that being the case, the Pack drafted another guard in the second or third round while passing on a steroid-induced freak, causing Tank to give up and become a model corporate citizen.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Its based on winning the block within less than 3 seconds. If Rodgers hangs on past that, its on him.

Reason #1 for why you don’t draft fat guys til the 5th round. You don’t draft Raji over Brian Crushing. The fucking center over DK Metcalf.

Any fat guy worth his fat oughta be able to pass pro for 3 seconds. If he can’t, find someone else who can. Plenty of fish in the sea.

Likewise, 99.9% of the fat guys playing defense in the NFL cannot penetrate the A, B,C,D gaps and impregnate the QB in 3 seconds or less. The king-fu (skillz) of an undrafted fat guy from Wisconsin-Stevens Point ain’t that inferior from that of a 1st rounder from Alabama.

[pbmax]

Reason #1 for why you don’t draft fat guys til the 5th round. You don’t draft Raji over Brian Crushing. The fucking center over DK Metcalf.

Any fat guy worth his fat oughta be able to pass pro for 3 seconds. If he can’t, find someone else who can. Plenty of fish in the sea.

Likewise, 99.9% of the fat guys playing defense in the NFL cannot penetrate the A, B,C,D gaps and impregnate the QB in 3 seconds or less. The king-fu (skillz) of an undrafted fat guy from Wisconsin-Stevens Point ain’t that inferior from that of a 1st rounder from Alabama.

You can find a LOT of skill position talent late. No so for big bodies that could also play tackle.

[texaspackerbacker]

First of all, it has always been my contention that Aaron Rodgers' escapability is the primary reason for his unparalleled success despite shitty pass blocking.

Secondly, I very much appreciate the goodness of Jenkins in both the run game and the passing game - it was about time we got lucky drafting an O Lineman. However, it is a helluva lot easier to be a Guard and block in a more confined space than to be a Tackle and have the prospect of blocking some athletic freak who can either get around you outside or juke you and get inside you.

Third, I've never had the high regard for Bakhtiari that others have, and he certainly does seem worse this year - for whatever reason.

Fourth, there's some degree of truth in both what APB and pbmax said in the last two posts. Drafting big linemen, offensive anyway, in early rounds is definitely a crap shoot. I'd modify what APB said from 5th round to 3rd round, though - where we got Jenkins. And yes, it is a helluva lot easier to find late round gems among RBs and WRs than linemen. There's a lot of luck involved in both cases.

I want the Packers to get D Line in the first round next draft. After that, I'd like to see a Corner or Safety, and then ILB or O Line in the third and fourth rounds.

[pbmax]

First of all, it has always been my contention that Aaron Rodgers' escapability is the primary reason for his unparalleled success despite shitty pass blocking.

Secondly, I very much appreciate the goodness of Jenkins in both the run game and the passing game - it was about time we got lucky drafting an O Lineman. However, it is a helluva lot easier to be a Guard and block in a more confined space than to be a Tackle and have the prospect of blocking some athletic freak who can either get around you outside or juke you and get inside you.

Third, I've never had the high regard for Bakhtiari that others have, and he certainly does seem worse this year - for whatever reason.

Fourth, there's some degree of truth in both what APB and pbmax said in the last two posts. Drafting big linemen, offensive anyway, in early rounds is definitely a crap shoot. I'd modify what APB said from 5th round to 3rd round, though - where we got Jenkins. And yes, it is a helluva lot easier to find late round gems among RBs and WRs than linemen. There's a lot of luck involved in both cases.

I want the Packers to get D Line in the first round next draft. After that, I'd like to see a Corner or Safety, and then ILB or O Line in the third and fourth rounds.

LEERoy Jenkins was second round, pick #44.

Rodgers both helps his lineman with his mobility and hurts their numbers by holding onto the ball forever. In terms of total sack numbers, he increases them.

[texaspackerbacker]

I stand corrected on the round in the draft thing. OK. we got lucky with a second rounder instead of a third rounder hahahahaha.

[run pMc]

I want the Packers to get D Line in the first round next draft. After that, I'd like to see a Corner or Safety, and then ILB or O Line in the third and fourth rounds.

I think there's a 2020 draft thread somewhere. Probably.

BPA ALL THE WAY! LOL Seriously, way too difficult to figure it all out, and drafting for need happens to some extent. If we were going purely off need I'd say stud 3 down ILB first, then future 10 year starting RT, then WR, DL, CB, RB, and maybe K.
Of course, this probably jinxes us to a draft where Gute drafts QB, S, OLB, TE, K, CB, and QB to be converted to RB. (Too Teddish?)

To be clear, I don't disagree with some who think another stud DL (Jeffrey Simmons over Rashan Gary?) would help out Kenny Clark and help improve the middle of the defense. I'm not convinced that's how the board will fall, but if it does I won't complain. Unless we end up with Datone Jones Jr. LOL

[bobblehead]

I think the emphasis on holding is killing Bach this year, plus whatever is physically ailing him.

His hands on the outside of the shoulder pads technique is getting all sorts of penalty attention this year.

Pretty much for years I have said that Bak's greatest talent is getting away with holding and being better than the lump next to him. Bak was never as good as many here think. He is good, top 10ish good, but not top 2 or 3. Now that they are calling his holds, he has to have better feet....which are not in the same class as Trent Williams.

[RashanGary]

Pass pro is so important, I’d count it three times and count each of the others once.

Bakh
Pass pro: B+
POA Run: B
Outside Zone: C
2nd Level/Screen: C
Overall: B

Jenkins
Pass Pro: B (with A potential)
POA run: B (with A potential)
Outside Zone: B- (with B+ potential)
2nd level/Screen: B (With B+ potential)
Overall: B

Lindsley
Pass Pro: B+
POA run: B
Outside Zone: C
Second level/screen: C-
Overall: B

Turner
Pass Pro: C
POA run: B
Outside Zone: B+
2nd level/screen: B+
Overall B

Bulaga
Pass pro: B+
POA run: B-
Outside Zone: C+
2nd Level/Screen: C
Overall B


The way I see it, we have a bunch of good OL. Bakh, Lindsley and Bulaga all excel in pass pro but have limitations outside of that. Turner misses sometimes in Pass pro but excels with athleticism and aggression. Jenkins good across the board but has potential to be great.