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[RashanGary]

If you move on from Tramon, Graham, Mercedes and Lane Taylor maybe you can justify keeping Bulaga around as the resident high priced old guy.

But if they like what they have developing in Madison and Light, maybe you slide Jenkins out to RT, move Madison to guard and roll that money else where.

There is a lot we don’t know about the developmental guys so it’s hard to predict what will happen going forward.

[Sparkey]

I realize that I risk the "wrath of Rada" with this post, but Bulaga is the RT. We won't be drafting an LT high in the upcoming draft . Bahk has been real shaky this season and the assumption that he's playing hurt. They've committed to him and he will be our LT for a few years in the future. BB is one tough bastard and has hung tough for many seasons now. Jenkins has been extremely impressive. He continues to improve each game in what has been an extremely impressive rookie season.

As several posters have mentioned, he is the kind of guy with the skills to transition to a OT position. It wouldn't shock me for the FO to look to him as the RT of the future

If I remember correctly, Bahktiari was dealing with a lower back injury around the Vikings game. I have not heard much about it since, but based on my experience with lower back injuries is that once they appear, they never go away completely.

Too me, that would explain the misses. You lose some flexibility and quick twitch reaction when dealing with lower back issues so he is cheating at times and getting beat because of it.

[Bretsky]

Be funny if, that being the case, the Pack drafted another guard in the second or third round while passing on a steroid-induced freak, causing Tank to give up and become a model corporate citizen.

1. We assume he is on roids but there is no evidence
2. Tank has noted before we should have drafted Metcalf instead of Gary.


How many of us would turn down that trade proposal (basides everybobdy in Seattle)

[Zool]

1. We assume he is on roids but there is no evidence
2. Tank has noted before we should have drafted Metcalf instead of Gary.


How many of us would turn down that trade proposal (basides everybobdy in Seattle)

With today’s information or April information?

[Upnorth]

In hindsight Metcalf instead of gary is a no brainer. However in hindsight I would have picked many other players over gary and Metcalf. Hindsight is easy to pick the winners, unless it is McCarthy reviewing slocums season performance and deciding to keep him another year. (Still haven't let that one go. I might need therapy)

[Bretsky]

In hindsight Metcalf instead of gary is a no brainer. However in hindsight I would have picked many other players over gary and Metcalf. Hindsight is easy to pick the winners, unless it is McCarthy reviewing slocums season performance and deciding to keep him another year. (Still haven't let that one go. I might need therapy)

BINGO; great points. Saying I want Metcalf over Gary is not really saying how great Metcalf is; in reality there are probably 10 guys drafted after Gary I'd take over Metcalf.

Ted Thompson is the real reason we picked Gary. Had he not screwed the pooch and drafted Kevin King over TJ Watt a few years ago we'd have passed on Gary for sure )

[beveaux1]

BINGO; great points. Saying I want Metcalf over Gary is not really saying how great Metcalf is; in reality there are probably 10 guys drafted after Gary I'd take over Metcalf.

Ted Thompson is the real reason we picked Gary. Had he not screwed the pooch and drafted Kevin King over TJ Watt a few years ago we'd have passed on Gary for sure )

The real question to me is who was going to sit while Gary plays this year? I, for one, haven't given up on the guy just because he hasn't taken snaps away from the Smiths.
Gary was drafted after his junior year, he had never really played OLB, and the team knew it would take time to develop him.
They also knew that getting someone with his measurables with the 12th pick in the draft was a bargain.
If...and this is a big if, he develops over the next three years, he could really be another pass rushing dynamo.
We'd be able to put 3 possible double figure sackers on the field at the same time along with Clark.

Neither of the Smiths were dynamic their first year. As a matter of fact, neither has been this good before this year.
Give him 3 or 4 years before calling him a bust. He seems to already be making some progress this year.

[Fritz]

The real question to me is who was going to sit while Gary plays this year? I, for one, haven't given up on the guy just because he hasn't taken snaps away from the Smiths.
Gary was drafted after his junior year, he had never really played OLB, and the team knew it would take time to develop him.
They also knew that getting someone with his measurables with the 12th pick in the draft was a bargain.
If...and this is a big if, he develops over the next three years, he could really be another pass rushing dynamo.
We'd be able to put 3 possible double figure sackers on the field at the same time along with Clark.

Neither of the Smiths were dynamic their first year. As a matter of fact, neither has been this good before this year.
Give him 3 or 4 years before calling him a bust. He seems to already be making some progress this year.

There. Had to get that emphasis right.

[Bretsky]

The real question to me is who was going to sit while Gary plays this year? I, for one, haven't given up on the guy just because he hasn't taken snaps away from the Smiths.
Gary was drafted after his junior year, he had never really played OLB, and the team knew it would take time to develop him.
They also knew that getting someone with his measurables with the 12th pick in the draft was a bargain.
If...and this is a big if, he develops over the next three years, he could really be another pass rushing dynamo.
We'd be able to put 3 possible double figure sackers on the field at the same time along with Clark.

Neither of the Smiths were dynamic their first year. As a matter of fact, neither has been this good before this year.
Give him 3 or 4 years before calling him a bust. He seems to already be making some progress this year.

Kyle Fackrell. That is the slug he need to get better than someday. But he's not now and ain't taking snaps away

Didn't a GB coach call Gary the best Edge in the draft ? They thought they were getting instant production. And I'm fairly confident they could do something the Michigan coaches would not; coach up those elite numbers and turn them into production. Maybe they still can.

Maybe they thought he was a bargain. Who knows on that one. Neither of the Smiths were top half of the NFL draft picks, or at least I don't think they were. Both were producers last year and that is why Gooter paid them the big bux. But draft picks don't have 3 to 4 year windows (and thank God most don't need it). That is about when their contract is expiring.

I'm not sure I've ever called Gary a bust. I've called him a lot of shit....in the end they all equate to one thing...bad decision. But I don't think I've called him a bust.

As many will recall I didn't like Devante Adams either; he proved me wrong.

I hope Tarzan Jane does too

[beveaux1]

Kyle Fackrell. That is the slug he need to get better than someday. But he's not now and ain't taking snaps away

Didn't a GB coach call Gary the best Edge in the draft ? They thought they were getting instant production. And I'm fairly confident they could do something the Michigan coaches would not; coach up those elite numbers and turn them into production. Maybe they still can.

Maybe they thought he was a bargain. Who knows on that one. Neither of the Smiths were top half of the NFL draft picks, or at least I don't think they were. Both were producers last year and that is why Gooter paid them the big bux. But draft picks don't have 3 to 4 year windows (and thank God most don't need it). That is about when their contract is expiring.

I'm not sure I've ever called Gary a bust. I've called him a lot of shit....in the end they all equate to one thing...bad decision. But I don't think I've called him a bust.

As many will recall I didn't like Devante Adams either; he proved me wrong.

I hope Tarzan Jane does too

The 49ers have a few players drafted in the top 15 of previous drafts. Some make immediate impact. Some take a little longer
to contribute. I'm not sure we made a mistake. I think we got exactly what we drafted. A young prospect with a high upside
at a position where he doesn't need to contribute immediately.

If a QB is available when we draft (24th or later)(Tua), it wouldn't necessarily be a mistake to take him. He might be Rodgers'
replacement in a few years.

Would I like to have a receiver that contributes now but has a lower upside in the future? That's debatable. I'm not sure he would contribute
now given Rodgers need to "be on the same page" with his receivers. He'd likely have no different numbers than Lazard or Scantling with us.

I hope Gary develops in the future. Next year will likely be a bigger year since Fackrell will no longer be with us. We'll see.

[call_me_ishmael]

Had he not screwed the pooch and drafted Kevin King over TJ Watt a few years ago we'd have passed on Gary for sure )

I was okay with King at the time, but wow, this is looking like a historically bad blunder. TJ is gonna win DPOY. Kevin King might make a good back-up for somebody. At this point, you're only issuing him his 5th year option because you're so invested and hope to get _something_ out of it, right?

[Zool]

I was okay with King at the time, but wow, this is looking like a historically bad blunder. TJ is gonna win DPOY. Kevin King might make a good back-up for somebody. At this point, you're only issuing him his 5th year option because you're so invested and hope to get _something_ out of it, right?

2nd round pick. No such thing as a 5th year option.

[Patler]

I'm not as down on King as many on here are.

[Zool]

I'm not as down on King as many on here are.

He's pretty mediocre. He's flashed a few times. I guess you could do worse, but you could do better too.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sp...ck/4250309002/

[Patler]

He's pretty mediocre. He's flashed a few times. I guess you could do worse, but you could do better too.

I think his overall play is much better than mediocre. I also think a few of the plays that have made King look bad were not in fact his fault, and we just saw King trying to make up for someone else's mistake, who wasn't even in the picture we saw. Just my opinion.