Fewest Punt return yards in NFL history?

[Teamcheez1]

I did, now what?

Nothing. You can continue to hide behind your title of moderator.

[MadtownPacker]

Nothing. You can continue to hide behind your title of moderator.

I never hide. Say what you want about how you hate me or think I’m a idiot. It won’t get you or anyone else banned and your comment won’t be deleted. As long as it isn’t politics. That is what you are crying about right? Since you cant show any courtesy or respect to the minimal rules of this website.

So give me your worse. You are weak minded. I don’t use my “title of moderator” to fight my personal battles here. THAT would be me hiding. Post your politics in FYI. I might even agree with them. You are one of the posters that prompted the shitty announcement today.

You think dealing with this is fun and enjoyable? You think I would rather not just be a poster and enjoy talking crap? I do what is best for this site, not for me and not for you.

If you feel I am threatening you with banning you are wrong. Because if I abused my access your ass wouldn’t even be getting this response.

[SudsMcBucky]

Huh. Didn't think it could get any worse than Ron Zook.

[MadScientist]

Tyler Ervin saves the Packers return game from ignominy.

Given how solid he looked, did MLF lite a fire under the whole return team, or were all the other returners a bunch of useless turds? (Both is of course a possibility).

As for KRs, there was an odd stat earlier this season where the Packers lead the league in field position after a kickoff without having returned a single kick (there was an out of bounds kick that helped things).

[pbmax]

Huh. Didn't think it could get any worse than Ron Zook.

Season's not over yet

[texaspackerbacker]

He did ok, but I'm pretty sure Derek Shepherd woulda done just as good or better.

[Joemailman]

He did ok, but I'm pretty sure Derek Shepherd woulda done just as good or better.

Based on what? He had 2 punt returns for -9 yards and averaged 16 yards on 9 kickoff returns. Teams were intentionally kicking short of the goal line to force him to return it.

[texaspackerbacker]

I was talking about punt returns. How did Shepherd do in the preseason?

Arguably, fair catching or just letting the ball go is a better way to go in many cases. That 5 to 10 yards of return is not worth the risk of a fumble. Just get the offense on the field.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I was talking about punt returns. How did Shepherd do in the preseason?

Arguably, fair catching or just letting the ball go is a better way to go in many cases. That 5 to 10 yards of return is not worth the risk of a fumble. Just get the offense on the field.

Preseason doesn't matter anymore. He couldn't get it done in games. He stunk.

Not returning punts for fear of a fumble? That's laughable.

[pbmax]

I was talking about punt returns. How did Shepherd do in the preseason?

Arguably, fair catching or just letting the ball go is a better way to go in many cases. That 5 to 10 yards of return is not worth the risk of a fumble. Just get the offense on the field.

But if the risk of fumble is greater with Shepard, then that is another point against him. And he did fumble.

[beveaux1]

When you're an undrafted free agent with poor speed for a WR and you're given a chance on an NFL roster, you've got to produce.
A fumble on a punt return and a TD pass bouncing out of your hands and off your helmet means you blew your chance.

My guess is he'll never see playing time again. He'll likely never make another NFL roster.

[Zool]

But if the risk of fumble is greater with Shepard, then that is another point against him. And he did fumble.

He also volleyball set an INT at the goal line in a loss. I really think there should be a judge at every game calling INTs and fumbles. Sorta like the guy in baseball that determines if something is an error. How many INTs are the fault of the WR tipping the ball in the air.

[texaspackerbacker]

But if the risk of fumble is greater with Shepard, then that is another point against him. And he did fumble.

He fumbled what? Once? That dumb move trying to catch a punt up in front of his face? I would say a second chance is in order - or was there other fumbles I don't remember?

As for that worn out old line, preseason doesn't matter, that's a lame over generalization, especially when you're talking punt returns, which are usually run against back ups anyway.

Just wait, people will turn on Ervin big time the first time he fumbles or reverses his field and loses 15 yards on a return. And we haven't even seen him on kick offs yet. Is he a speed burner? I don't know. I had hopes for Tremon Smith because he supposedly was. You need shiftiness more on punts - like Shepherd, and like Ervin hasn't shown yet. And Shepherd is potentially the Beasley or Edelman type possession receiver we could use also. It seems to me that he got himself in the dog house and needs an opportunity to get out.

[Zool]

He's the only punt returner I've ever watched judge a kick so badly, he had to jump to get a hand on the punt. Tex I think your faith is misplaced.

[MadScientist]

He fumbled what? Once? That dumb move trying to catch a punt up in front of his face? I would say a second chance is in order - or was there other fumbles I don't remember?

As for that worn out old line, preseason doesn't matter, that's a lame over generalization, especially when you're talking punt returns, which are usually run against back ups anyway.

Just wait, people will turn on Ervin big time the first time he fumbles or reverses his field and loses 15 yards on a return. And we haven't even seen him on kick offs yet. Is he a speed burner? I don't know. I had hopes for Tremon Smith because he supposedly was. You need shiftiness more on punts - like Shepherd, and like Ervin hasn't shown yet. And Shepherd is potentially the Beasley or Edelman type possession receiver we could use also. It seems to me that he got himself in the dog house and needs an opportunity to get out.

That shiftiness that you seek is what led to -8 yards in returns over 12 games. Ervin wasn't dancing around trying to get a big return, he just fielded it cleanly and ran straight up field when he had space. If there was less than 5 yards there for him he took the fair catch, reducing the risk of a big hit and fumble. I'll take that attitude every time vs the shifty guy who runs sideways and backwards trying to make the huge return. Also all that dancing tends to lead to penalties. Just running straight is easier to block for without holding / blocks in the back.