Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[pbmax]

As usual pbmax is one step ahead. Honestly my very next post was not a direct ripoff. Reduced to claiming (not so believeably) GMTA here.

Its possible I have advocated for trading down in half of the Packers draft, so my mileage varies.

However, as someone else stated, that first round looks a lot different depending on how FA goes. If you get an ILB (or a good one is not there) there is a lot more freedom to move around and get a WR that fits and maybe pick up an extra pick.

If you need a ILB or DL (and signed Emmanuel Sanders or the like), you might need to stay or move up.

[ThunderDan]

The reality is the positions that the Packers really need help at are likely gone when they are picking.

ILB, Top bunch of WRs, Top bunch of OTs and DTs are going to be gone at the bottom of the 1st. I see a lot of trading back this draft and getting additional picks so we aren't reaching to fill holes. I would hate seeing us take a reach for a WR in round 1 when we could trade back get an extra 4th and draft two WR with a bunch of potential rounds 3 or 4 with the extra pick and maybe picking up a DT or OT at top of 2nd.

[ThunderDan]

Extra picks if only 6th and 7th rounders could be used to improve bottom of the roster and special teams.

[GB-Brandon]

The thing is rookie receivers drafted early have a pretty good percentage of contributing early and often lately.

2018- Courtland Sutton & Calvin Ridley, I wanted Sutton really bad and had him mocked pretty much the entire pre-draft process but would gladly take Ridley as well at this stage of the game.

2019- Aj Brown, DK Metcalf, Deebo Samuel, Mecole Hardman, Marquise Brown. Metcalf, Brown and Samuel balled out while Brown(played in a run heavy offense) and Hardman(so many other team weapons) had healthy Contributions as well. I was advocating for either Parris Campbell(who I would still love to have) and Deebo Samuel but once again would obviously take any of these guys.

Trading back and betting on long shot ponies is great but unfortunately we are down to probably a 2-3 year window with Rodgers with a team set up to “Win Now”. If there ever was a year to draft need over value this might be it.

Last year we drafted a project with the 12th pick of the draft(absolutely should off taken Simmons or traded back). Then we traded draft capital to jump off the reservation to get Savage when we could of just sat tight at our pick and got Juan Thornhill(who many wanted and rated out higher last season) using that capital we blew to get back in the game and get one of those top receivers mentioned.

We’re actually 3 years late now on improving this receiver position so the Packers might have to reach a little too try and address the glaring issue.

[GB-Brandon]

Before people start to write Rodgers off lets give him some weapons that can actually “separate” and “stress the defense”. Last year I heard all this “big slot talk” and it turned out to not be all that effective. Big guys with big catch radius’s are great but at some point having some guys with short areas quickness and speed are necessary to “stir the drink”. Having a slow TE like Jimmie Graham didn’t help the situation at all either. We are currently an offense that is desperate for more “chunk plays”. Our offense at times has becomes a desperate situation where Rodgers is just locking in on Adams to make a play without any other big play options. Continuing to add more big bodied project receivers on the outside will do us no good until we have someone that can stress the middle of the defense both vertically and in the short passing game over the middle. Having that will open things up more for guys on the outside to make plays. (See Tyreek Hill and the KC Chiefs)

I believe some people have forgotten that when Rodgers was most effective in his career he had the “Fantastic Five” and that receiving Corp was not built primarily on day 3 picks. I’m personally tired of trying to fix this thing with K-Mart imitation knock offs. Time to go out and get the REAL THING!!! No more “Fake Nike’s”

[mraynrand]

Preach it Brandon.

It’s time to “surround Rodgers with the talent he needs to win.”

I swear it’s not a lie, Tomorrow may be to late.

[ThunderDan]

Before people start to write Rodgers off lets give him some weapons that can actually “separate” and “stress the defense”. Last year I heard all this “big slot talk” and it turned out to not be all that effective. Big guys with big catch radius’s are great but at some point having some guys with short areas quickness and speed are necessary to “stir the drink”. Having a slow TE like Jimmie Graham didn’t help the situation at all either. We are currently an offense that is desperate for more “chunk plays”. Our offense at times has becomes a desperate situation where Rodgers is just locking in on Adams to make a play without any other big play options. Continuing to add more big bodied project receivers on the outside will do us no good until we have someone that can stress the middle of the defense both vertically and in the short passing game over the middle. Having that will open things up more for guys on the outside to make plays. (See Tyreek Hill and the KC Chiefs)

I believe some people have forgotten that when Rodgers was most effective in his career he had the “Fantastic Five” and that receiving Corp was not built primarily on day 3 picks. I’m personally tired of trying to fix this thing with K-Mart imitation knock offs. Time to go out and get the REAL THING!!! No more “Fake Nike’s”

Remember when we said that with Favre back in 2007 and everyone was saying we should sign Randy Moss. And then somehow the Old Gunslinger throws for 4,155 yards and 28 TDs.

I honestly believe you take BPA for the long-term benefit of the franchise.

[run pMc]

You know what you do? If ILB is not there (or as Huber thinks they might do, your OT is not there either) you trade down and get Jennings or Nelson plus an extra pick.

Been on board with this for a while, still am. I do think they need to take a WR in somewhere in R1-3. It's a deep WR class but waiting too long will mean they probably have a developmental project more than an able-to-contribute player.
I've mentioned before the bottom of the R1 is where some teams will try to trade back up to get a 2nd R1 pick...that's an opportunity to trade down 6-8 spots and gain an extra R4 to use on a depth player (3rd TE or RB) who might turn into something. Lot of variables need to fall into place for that to happen, and I think it's more likely they stand pat and grab someone they like at 30. (My gut tells me it's an OT or a DL for some reason.)

[GB-Brandon]

Preach it Brandon.

It’s time to “surround Rodgers with the talent he needs to win.”

I swear it’s not a lie, Tomorrow may be to late.

Yep. Here are the FACTS!!

Since drafting Adams in the 2nd round(Pick 53) in 2014

2014- Jared Abbrederis 5th Round(Pick 176)

2014- Jeff Janis 7th Round 7th Round(Pick 236)

2015- Ty Montgomery 3rd Round(Pick 94)

2016- Trevor Davis 5th round(Pick 163)

2017- Deangelo Yancy 5th round(Pick 175)

2017- Malachi Dupre 7th round(Pick 247)

2018- J’mon Moore 4th Round(Pick 133)

2018- Marquez Valdez-Scantling 5th Round(Pick 174)

2018-E-St. Brown 6th Round(Pick 207)

2019- “NOTHING”

UDFA- Geronimo Allison

UDFA- Jake Kummerow

UDFA- Darius Shepard

= More or less a big pile of “mediocrity”. Obviously trying to find the next Donald Driver in late rounds isn’t that easy. The definition of INSANITY is to the SAME THING OVER and OVER and EXPECT A DiFFERENT RESULT which the Packers have clearly proven in adding receiving talent too support Rodgers.

Now we are just about out of time.

[RashanGary]

I'm with you on Simmons, Brandon.

Never know if less depth at OLB would have caused injury to one of our top guys. And Gary still has some time to show out. Not like he's maxed. And he gets to learn from a couple crafty guys in front of him. We'll see.

Simmons is a top 3 talent though. Wish we had him.

We desperately need a star ILB. More than any other position, we need that. Lazard and Sternberger have a real shot at being viable 2nd and 3rd options for AR. There is no viable ILB on the team even with Martinez. Martinez is a #2. That's it

[RashanGary]

I'm very curious to see Sternberger in his second year with Lafleur and AR. TE technique and playbook is deeper than other positions cuz the blocking and receiving. Sternberger is highly likely to be much better in year 2.

I'd cut Graham, move Sternberger into that TE1 role and keep Lewis around to spell him show him the ropes for another year .

[GB-Brandon]

I'm with you on Simmons, Brandon.

Never know if less depth at OLB would have caused injury to one of our top guys. And Gary still has some time to show out. Not like he's maxed. And he gets to learn from a couple crafty guys in front of him. We'll see.

Simmons is a top 3 talent though. Wish we had him.

We desperately need a star ILB. More than any other position, we need that. Lazard and Sternberger have a real shot at being viable 2nd and 3rd options for AR. There is no viable ILB on the team even with Martinez. Martinez is a #2. That's it

I'm very curious to see Sternberger in his second year with Lafleur and AR. TE technique and playbook is deeper than other positions cuz the blocking and receiving. Sternberger is highly likely to be much better in year 2.

I'd cut Graham, move Sternberger into that TE1 role and keep Lewis around to spell him show him the ropes for another year .

We have zero chance of getting Simmons.

I like Sternberger and had him as a 3rd round target for the Packers last draft.

I am fine with grooming him as TE 1 heading into year 2 of his development.

[GB-Brandon]

I find it rather maddening that we have been on a “10 Year Plan” now to rebuild this defense and after “all the $” and “all the picks” invested we still don’t even have an above average ILB.

3 years ago I wanted them to change the direction on trying to build this “Championship Level Defense” and make a run at it with surrounding their “strength” which was obviously AR12. Yet here we are grasping at straws again and going back to the drawing board after our big Championship Level Defense got boat raced for record numbers in another playoff game.

The Chiefs defense wasn’t all that yet they won a Championship with an Elite QB and massive weapons along with a opportune defense. This has been the formula for us for years yet we fell short in the vision.

[mraynrand]

Yep. Here are the FACTS!!

Since drafting Adams in the 2nd round(Pick 53) in 2014

2014- Jared Abbrederis 5th Round(Pick 176)

2014- Jeff Janis 7th Round 7th Round(Pick 236)

2015- Ty Montgomery 3rd Round(Pick 94)

2016- Trevor Davis 5th round(Pick 163)

2017- Deangelo Yancy 5th round(Pick 175)

2017- Malachi Dupre 7th round(Pick 247)

2018- J’mon Moore 4th Round(Pick 133)

2018- Marquez Valdez-Scantling 5th Round(Pick 174)

2018-E-St. Brown 6th Round(Pick 207)

2019- “NOTHING”

UDFA- Geronimo Allison

UDFA- Jake Kummerow

UDFA- Darius Shepard

= More or less a big pile of “mediocrity”. Obviously trying to find the next Donald Driver in late rounds isn’t that easy. The definition of INSANITY is to the SAME THING OVER and OVER and EXPECT A DiFFERENT RESULT which the Packers have clearly proven in adding receiving talent too support Rodgers.

Now we are just about out of time.

That’s just flat out painful to look at.

[RashanGary]

We have zero chance of getting Simmons.

I like Sternberger and had him as a 3rd round target for the Packers last draft.

I am fine with grooming him as TE 1 heading into year 2 of his development.

I was talking bout Jeffrey Simmons last year. Beast