Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[Cleft Crusty]

I can't believe I am saying this because he needs to go, but if they don't choose to go UFA on offense, I can see Graham staying for year 3 of that deal.

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[Deputy Nutz]

You think he's a better prospect than Burrow? Burrow has looked great. I haven't seen enough Tua to have an opinion either way but a statement like this does make me raise my uninformed brow and listen more.

Really good question. I think Tua had some amazing wide receivers around him, mightbe the most talented group of receivers any college has ever had. I think I would obviously take Burrow now, but without injury, Tua and Burrows would be 1a, and 1b. Burrows looks like he can run an NFL offense from day one, and Tua might be a better overall athlete before the injury. Tua reminds me of a slightly bigger version of Russell Wilson.

[Deputy Nutz]

Lazard is damn good already, and yes, he should get better - especially if we get a speed receiver to spread things out more. Tonyan is ok, but I'm not sure he has a very high ceiling - Kittle or Kelce he likely ain't (although Lazard at TE just might me). Sternberger has absolutely stunk, so he couldn't possibly not get better - how much is the question. I wouldn't count on him being a real stand out either, but who knows. Valdez-Scantling IMO has the highest ceiling because of his speed and size. How likely he is to fulfill that potential is anybody's guess, though.

For next season, as I've said a lot of times, Lazard should be switched to TE. So that leaves spots at WR for Adams, MVS, and Kumerow. St. Brown is coming back and probably should get a spot. A lot of people including me would like to see Allison gone. Grant is basically worthless. So adding St. Brown and subtracting Allison and Grant, that is just 4 WRs. Draft a speed burner about the second round, and that still leaves one spot this Begelton guy or maybe Shepherd or maybe another lower round draft pick. If Lazard switches to TE, we would also likely keep Tonyan and Sternberger. I'm assuming Graham is gone and maybe Lewis also, although it's not out of the question to keep 4 TEs.

You can't move a guy who has played unattached his whole life to tight end and ask him to block DEs and linebackers in a zone blocking scheme. He would get mauled in pass pro and demolished in the run game. I like how LaFluer uses his receivers with motion and then like an interior crack block, its sorta groovy.

[Deputy Nutz]

Let's say Tua is sitting there at 5, and you think he is going to be really good.

1. The team at 5 calls and says "we'll give you Tua for a #2 and Aaron". Do you do it?
2. The team at 5 calls and says "we'll give you Tua for #1, #2, #3 and next year's #2". Do you do it?

If Tua really is the guy with the golden arm and a future star, I think you have to do it. I'd try to do the #1 scenario, personally.

You don't trade your golden goose for potential. Adding a player like Tua would be a making sure the cupboard is stocked for the future.

[texaspackerbacker]

You can't move a guy who has played unattached his whole life to tight end and ask him to block DEs and linebackers in a zone blocking scheme. He would get mauled in pass pro and demolished in the run game. I like how LaFluer uses his receivers with motion and then like an interior crack block, its sorta groovy.

That makes sense about pass protection, although chipping outside pass rusher shouldn't be that much of a stretch for a hybrid TE/WR. He already does a good job blocking linemen and LBs in the run game. I also agree with you about that legal version of a crackback.

The implication of calling him a TE or not is roster spots. I'd like to see 6 WRs on the roster other than Lazard. Using him more like a TE mostly in the middle of the field, and less like a WR trying to outrun cover Corners seems to make sense.

Getting a speed burner wideout would make things better regardless of how Lazard is used.

[pbmax]

That makes sense about pass protection, although chipping outside pass rusher shouldn't be that much of a stretch for a hybrid TE/WR. He already does a good job blocking linemen and LBs in the run game. I also agree with you about that legal version of a crackback.

The implication of calling him a TE or not is roster spots. I'd like to see 6 WRs on the roster other than Lazard. Using him more like a TE mostly in the middle of the field, and less like a WR trying to outrun cover Corners seems to make sense.

Getting a speed burner wideout would make things better regardless of how Lazard is used.

Calling him a TE for roster purposes just leaves you short an in-line blocker in favor of another WR body.

[texaspackerbacker]

There's plenty of roster room for either 7 WRs and 3 TEs or 6 WRs and 4 TEs. Besides, I say again, the few plays he would be kept in for pass protection, it's not that much to expect him to successfully chip or cut an outside rusher. That's less of an accomplishment than a RB blocking an inside or outside pass rusher who gets past the O Line.

[run pMc]

I thought MVS was our speed burner.

[texaspackerbacker]

He is, but he hasn't proven to be good enough - it helps to be able to catch the ball. It wouldn't hurt to have more than one too.

[pbmax]

I thought MVS was our speed burner.

Its the old conundrum, if you could put Lazard's tenacity into MVS physical skill set, you'd really have something.

But this kind of work is mostly illegal these days.

[Zool]

Its the old conundrum, if you could put Lazard's tenacity into MVS physical skill set, you'd really have something.

But this kind of work is mostly illegal these days.

Did MVS trade arms with Lowry?

[pbmax]

Did MVS trade arms with Lowry?

Possibly.

Though my working theory was that Lowry was just spending his off time hanging from a chin-up bar.

[smuggler]

He's a bit inexperienced, but the LSU inside backer Patrick Queen looks like the kind of rangy player we could use in Green and Gold.

Dude is listed as a 6th round prospect, but looks like the kind of player that could be a day-two type. Might need to play '20 in college.

[Joemailman]

He's a bit inexperienced, but the LSU inside backer Patrick Queen looks like the kind of rangy player we could use in Green and Gold.

Dude is listed as a 6th round prospect, but looks like the kind of player that could be a day-two type. Might need to play '20 in college.

Lot of people talking about him after Monday Night. Underclassmen have to declare for draft by Jan 17. He would likely be higher than a 6th round pick if he declares.

[wthigoot]

Narcissistic bump - my first thread is dying.
How about a new never too early mock?

1 - Davis, Raekwon - DT - 6-7 - 312 - Alabama
2 - Pittman, Michael - WR - 6-4 - 225 - Southern California
3 - Phillips, Jacob - ILB - 6-4 - 229 - Utah State
4 - Cleveland, Ezra - OT - 6-6 - 310 - Boise State
5 - Wilcox, Mitchell - TE - 6-5 - 245 - South Florida
6 - Stenberg, Logan - OG - 6-6 - 322 - Kentucky
6 - Davis, Javaris - CB - 5-10 - 180 - Auburn
7 - Dorn,Myles - S - 6-2 - 205 - North Carolina
7 - Knipp, Jacob - QB - 6-4 - 218 - Northern Colorado
7 - Vaughn, Ke'Shawn - RB - 5-10 - 218 - Vanderbilt

Bad timing, no reason to care about this now. Packers stay close on Sunday and win it late. KC vs GB, repeat of Super Bowl #1 - with same result.