Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[Zool]

Too Early mock draft, Computer Generated, except for the Packers pick which was User Picked
https://thedraftnetwork.com/mockdraft

30th Pick, Round 1
Kenneth Murray Jr LB Oklahoma
I have actually watched a little bit of film on him and he flies around the field. He has speed and instinct.

62nd Pick Round 2
Justin Jefferson WR LSU
Fluid route runner that understands where to attack zone coverage. He wasn't high recruit and had to figure out how to be better than some really talented corners in the SEC.

94th Pick Round 3
Jalen Hurts QB Oklahoma
Good to great arm strength, top 3 athlete at the position, may be a little to hasty with his reads and will rely on his athleticism to make premature decisions. I think it is great value for the upside in 3 to 4 years.

126th pick Round 4
Ezra Cleveland OT Boise St
Athletic build and movement, needs to develop more.

157th Pick Round 5
Davon Hamilton DT Ohio State
Big athletic body that can move, but lacks overall production.

Didn't bother with the 6th and 7th round

Hurts wasn’t super accurate in college. I don’t like QBs (Tebow) who weren’t good passers in college but lived off athleticism. They don’t get more accurate with less time in the pocket and more complex Ds

Edit: well wtf do I know. Apparently he’s gotten better every year. I must just watch the games where he bounces 2 passes to receivers.

https://www.pff.com/news/college-foo...ime-at-alabama

[Deputy Nutz]

It’s early but unless something completely changes against them I don’t see Murray being there at pick 30 or Jefferson being there at pick 62.

I think Jefferson could slip in this draft, especially in comparison with some other athletic receivers in this draft. It will all depend on the combine for a lot of the receivers. Jefferson wasn't even the best receiver on his college team. Not sure if he drops all the way to the 62nd pick, but not shocked if he drops out of the first round, DK Metcalf dropped to the end of the 2nd round.

If the Packers go linebacker in the first round the top 3 guys are Isaiah Simmons, Patrick Queen, and Kenneth Murrray Jr.

Simmons is looking like a top 10 pick mainly due to his flexibility and coverage ability. He played the depth of a rocked down strong safety at Clemson.

Queen is flying up the draft boards and also looks like a round 1 possibility due to his athleticism and middle of the field coverage set.

Murray can run all over the field, and has played against all the crazy pass heavy schemes in the Big 12.

[jklowan]

I think Jefferson could slip in this draft, especially in comparison with some other athletic receivers in this draft. It will all depend on the combine for a lot of the receivers. Jefferson wasn't even the best receiver on his college team. Not sure if he drops all the way to the 62nd pick, but not shocked if he drops out of the first round, DK Metcalf dropped to the end of the 2nd round.

If the Packers go linebacker in the first round the top 3 guys are Isaiah Simmons, Patrick Queen, and Kenneth Murrray Jr.

Simmons is looking like a top 10 pick mainly due to his flexibility and coverage ability. He played the depth of a rocked down strong safety at Clemson.

Queen is flying up the draft boards and also looks like a round 1 possibility due to his athleticism and middle of the field coverage set.

Murray can run all over the field, and has played against all the crazy pass heavy schemes in the Big 12.

I ALSO THINK MURRAY WILL BE GONE, I have seen Troy Dye going to us in the second, Love the mock but not the QB in the 3rd, prefer OL or DL in that spot

[ThunderDan]

My first shot at fanspeak:
30: EDGE JULIAN OKWARA NOTRE DAME
62: LB PATRICK QUEEN LSU
94: WR TYLER JOHNSON MINNESOTA
133: TE JARED PINKNEY VANDERBILT

[GB-Brandon]

I think Jefferson could slip in this draft, especially in comparison with some other athletic receivers in this draft. It will all depend on the combine for a lot of the receivers. Jefferson wasn't even the best receiver on his college team. Not sure if he drops all the way to the 62nd pick, but not shocked if he drops out of the first round, DK Metcalf dropped to the end of the 2nd round.

If the Packers go linebacker in the first round the top 3 guys are Isaiah Simmons, Patrick Queen, and Kenneth Murrray Jr.

Simmons is looking like a top 10 pick mainly due to his flexibility and coverage ability. He played the depth of a rocked down strong safety at Clemson.

Queen is flying up the draft boards and also looks like a round 1 possibility due to his athleticism and middle of the field coverage set.

Murray can run all over the field, and has played against all the crazy pass heavy schemes in the Big 12.

Well yeah, but that receiver(Chase) won the Biletnikoff award. Maybe if we trade up in 2nd but I just don’t see Jefferson making it to pick #62 though I could be wrong. Many are saying we could see 5-6 receivers coming off the board in the 1st round alone and there will certainly be a run on them at some point. I’d like to get Cephus later and hope Jaylen Reagor is someone to be targeted in 1st. As has been posted Reagor brings a speed and short area quickness element this offense severely lacks. Some also like KJ Hamler(Penn State) but I prefer Reagor as the bigger prospect(5’11 195lb) that can also win some 50/50 balls downfield. Reagor really appears to be a more athletic and explosive version of Randall Cobb IMO.

Murray would be great but just don’t know how he makes it to 30 unless something bad comes out. Queen looks the part but the guy I am hot on early is Jordyn Brooks(Texas Tech). Brooks appears to have all the ability along with a certain swagger that has been dearly missed in the middle of the defense. There might be a shot to get Brooks in 2nd which might make it a more realistic option.

Simmons would be a dream come true but he is gonna go top 10 and maybe even top 5.

[Deputy Nutz]

I ALSO THINK MURRAY WILL BE GONE, I have seen Troy Dye going to us in the second, Love the mock but not the QB in the 3rd, prefer OL or DL in that spot

Sure, if there was an OL or DL player you didn't have to reach for. It's kind of hard to look at just the picks with the whole picture of the draft board. I simply don't get about fans of the NFL is the expectation that every draft pick is for the upcoming season. Sure a third round pick could step in and take meaningful reps as a rookie, but it's pretty unlikely. Hurts could very well be the QB of the future, and gives the Packers a legitimate backup. In reality it's a value pick that could have big potential in the future. Fans should stop being so short sighted and not by into all the hype the NFL floods into the draft.

[GB-Brandon]

Sure, if there was an OL or DL player you didn't have to reach for. It's kind of hard to look at just the picks with the whole picture of the draft board. I simply don't get about fans of the NFL is the expectation that every draft pick is for the upcoming season. Sure a third round pick could step in and take meaningful reps as a rookie, but it's pretty unlikely. Hurts could very well be the QB of the future, and gives the Packers a legitimate backup. In reality it's a value pick that could have big potential in the future. Fans should stop being so short sighted and not by into all the hype the NFL floods into the draft.

I’m just not certain we’re in a position to be making “value picks” at this stage in the game. The “Value Pick” of Rashan Gary was enough for me actually. If the wheels fall off this upcoming year then that could change the vision.

[Deputy Nutz]

Well yeah, but that receiver(Chase) won the Biletnikoff award. Maybe if we trade up in 2nd but I just don’t see Jefferson making it to pick #62 though I could be wrong. Many are saying we could see 5-6 receivers coming off the board in the 1st round alone and there will certainly be a run on them at some point. I’d like to get Cephus later and hope Jaylen Reagor is someone to be targeted in 1st. As has been posted Reagor brings a speed and short area quickness element this offense severely lacks. Some also like KJ Hamler(Penn State) but I prefer Reagor as the bigger prospect(5’11 195lb) that can also win some 50/50 balls downfield. Reagor really appears to be a more athletic and explosive version of Randall Cobb IMO.

Murray would be great but just don’t know how he makes it to 30 unless something bad comes out. Queen looks the part but the guy I am hot on early is Jordyn Brooks(Texas Tech). Brooks appears to have all the ability along with a certain swagger that has been dearly missed in the middle of the defense. There might be a shot to get Brooks in 2nd which might make it a more realistic option.

Simmons would be a dream come true but he is gonna go top 10 and maybe even top 5.

Other than last year where two inside backers went in the top 10 picks of the draft, Middle linebackers tend to be over looks until the end of the first round. I don't think Murray or Queen are the same type of players that Bush and White were coming out of college, I might clearly be wrong as I have watched 5 minutes of film on both of them.

The draft is a different animal, I thought for sure that up to 5 offensive tackles could be draft in last year's 1st round, instead the first 3 linemen drafted were interior guys, and Dillard didn't come off until the 22nd pick. 3 tackles came off the board in the first, and I certainly didn't think Titus Howard or McGary were going to be 1st round picks. I think you might have a better shot at picking the NCCA March Maddness Tournament perfectly than the NFL draft.

I will guarantee that Borrows will go #1, and Young will go #2.

[Deputy Nutz]

I’m just not certain we’re in a position to be making “value picks” at this stage in the game. The “Value Pick” of Rashan Gary was enough for me actually. If the wheels fall off this upcoming year then that could change the vision.

That doesn't make any sense. I am not an NFL Scout so I don't make a BIG BOARD, but I wouldn't reach just because I have a need, why? Obviously I have a player lower on my draft board because I don't have the confidence in his tape and measurable that they are going to contribute with accordance to the round they are drafted in. The Draft is about filling needs, but is it a need that is urgent? Usually you will look to fill it in the first two rounds, if it is a need but maybe two or three seasons away then you might take a flyer on potential or value in a certain round because the player is too good to pass up. Jalen Hurts was the potential and the value to not pass up at the end of the 3rd round.

[run pMc]

I think Jefferson could slip in this draft, especially in comparison with some other athletic receivers in this draft. It will all depend on the combine for a lot of the receivers. Jefferson wasn't even the best receiver on his college team. Not sure if he drops all the way to the 62nd pick, but not shocked if he drops out of the first round, DK Metcalf dropped to the end of the 2nd round.

If the Packers go linebacker in the first round the top 3 guys are Isaiah Simmons, Patrick Queen, and Kenneth Murrray Jr.

Simmons is looking like a top 10 pick mainly due to his flexibility and coverage ability. He played the depth of a rocked down strong safety at Clemson.

Queen is flying up the draft boards and also looks like a round 1 possibility due to his athleticism and middle of the field coverage set.

Murray can run all over the field, and has played against all the crazy pass heavy schemes in the Big 12.

I'd be happy with Jefferson at 62. I think there will be at least two runs on WRs in the first 2 rounds, and Jefferson will be in there. Not sure he lasts until 62 but I do think GB will have opportunities to get a good WR that can contribute early (but not start right away).

As for 3 ILBs taken before 30, that would be a little unusual. That's not a position where you see many taken in R1 -- usually it's QBs (Burrow, Tua, Herbert, etc.), DL, OL, CBs, what they call EDGE and WRs. Maybe a TE and RB sneaks in there too, and at S Delpit will go R1.

Basically R1 is usually big guys and skill positions.
Re: LBs, Simmons is for sure gone, and likely one of Murray or Queen gone after 20 but I'm skeptical both will be gone with the other talent on the board.

It's so early; combine is about 5 weeks out... things will shake up a few times before that's over. GB definitely needs speed and coverage at ILB...I think either Queen or Murray will be there at 30.

[GB-Brandon]

That doesn't make any sense. I am not an NFL Scout so I don't make a BIG BOARD, but I wouldn't reach just because I have a need, why? Obviously I have a player lower on my draft board because I don't have the confidence in his tape and measurable that they are going to contribute with accordance to the round they are drafted in. The Draft is about filling needs, but is it a need that is urgent? Usually you will look to fill it in the first two rounds, if it is a need but maybe two or three seasons away then you might take a flyer on potential or value in a certain round because the player is too good to pass up. Jalen Hurts was the potential and the value to not pass up at the end of the 3rd round.

I agree with some of this but only in a certain context. If we were the Miami Dolphins and in the middle of a rebuild then sure take the best player available on your board all the way through. However, we are a team that was one game away from the Super Bowl with a 36yo franchise QB. We have to utilize every resource to get us over the hump within our Championship window so “Need” gets slated above “Value”. I would also argue that you can still find immediate needs in the 3rd round.

Now as far as ILB you are correct that the position was undervalued but that isn’t the case anymore. Every team in the league is looking for guys with speed that can cover as well as hold up against the run game. It severely decreases the talent pool of guys that can potentially project well to the NFL in modern schemes.

Yes, every draft is different and as I said I could be wrong but i’m certainly not holding my breath that Murray will be there at 30 or Jefferson at 62.

[jklowan]

and I'm not sure Queen is 1st round talent, I doubt he makes it to 62 so hence my question on Troy Dye in maybe the 3rd

[call_me_ishmael]

Wow, lots of candor from Gooter in the presser today. Sounds like WR and ILB are his targets and there is little chance the current ILB is back.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/24/highlights-from-brian-gutekunsts-season-ending-press-conference/

[GB-Brandon]

and I'm not sure Queen is 1st round talent, I doubt he makes it to 62 so hence my question on Troy Dye in maybe the 3rd

Jordyn Brooks in 2nd or Dye in 3rd at this juncture appears to be our best case options. I like both of them.

Wow, lots of candor from Gooter in the presser today. Sounds like WR and ILB are his targets and there is little chance the current ILB is back.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/202...ss-conference/

I put the nail in the coffin on Martinez when he got beat to the edge near the goal line in Niners game. That kinda signified in one play what is lacking.

I would also add Brandon Aiyuk to the conversation at receiver. There is literally so much talent at receiver in this draft that I don’t know how we could screw it up.

[GB-Brandon]

and I'm not sure Queen is 1st round talent, I doubt he makes it to 62 so hence my question on Troy Dye in maybe the 3rd

After further review I’m not sure about Dye after watching his tape vs Auburn and being able to come in and replace Martinez right out of the gate. He was okay in coverage(had a few mistakes) but got swallowed up quite a bit in run game. He has some toughness to him but not sure if he is strong enough at this point to hold up in the power run game. Definitely gonna need some development.

The more and more I look at this we’re gonna have to spend $ to have the best chance to fortify the position of trade up in draft.