Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[Joemailman]

With Rodgers and time running out there is urgency to get the real deal for receivers.

SERIOUS QUESTION

What type of value do you think we could get for Rashan Gary in a trade ? I know it would never happen because GM's dont want to eat crow this early, but could you package pick 30 and Gary to get up to 10 ?

No. Teams don't normally trade guys they just drafted. The moment you announce Gary is available for trade, you are basically admitting he is a disapppintment. That automatically reduces his trade value. Better to hang onto him and hope he develops.

[pbmax]

No. Teams don't normally trade guys they just drafted. The moment you announce Gary is available for trade, you are basically admitting he is a disapppintment. That automatically reduces his trade value. Better to hang onto him and hope he develops.

Unless your GM has fallen in love with a guy he did not get to select in a previous draft (see Wolf, Ron).

If that were the case here, the smitten GM would be calling the Packers though.

[run pMc]

Unless your GM has fallen in love with a guy he did not get to select in a previous draft (see Wolf, Ron).

If that were the case here, the smitten GM would be calling the Packers though.

Or you draft Rosen and then pick Murray. Agree they wouldn't get a lot for Gary. I don't think packaging him with #30 would get you to #10. Maybe #15, but I don't see the point. There's plenty of WR depth outside of Lamb & Jeudy.

[Deputy Nutz]

No. Teams don't normally trade guys they just drafted. The moment you announce Gary is available for trade, you are basically admitting he is a disappointment. That automatically reduces his trade value. Better to hang onto him and hope he develops.

I agree with you, and then I see poor Josh Rosen with his clipboard and baseball cap, who in two years is going to have a team give up on him and draft a QB within the top 5 picks of the draft.


The Packers with Wolf did draft Fred Vinson, and trade him the next season for Ahman Green, but I don't think that had anything to do with them giving up on the defensive back, they just really needed a running back. The Packers traded a second pick for a 3rd round pick. The Packers were also in reasonable shape at corner because Vinson was the 2nd out of three cornerbacks drafted by Wolf in the 1999 draft. Mike McKenzie who was drafted in the third round was already a starter and the first pick Antwan Edwards was bit of a disappointment but worked himself on to the field as a nickel and then a safety. Vinson after the trade submarined his career as he ended up shredding his knee in a pick up basketball game.

[Deputy Nutz]

With Rodgers and time running out there is urgency to get the real deal for receivers.

SERIOUS QUESTION

What type of value do you think we could get for Rashan Gary in a trade ? I know it would never happen because GM's dont want to eat crow this early, but could you package pick 30 and Gary to get up to 10 ?

Lay off the pain killers

[Deputy Nutz]

3 round mock draft. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ns-pass-on-tua

Packers picks:

#30 Kenneth Murray - LB - Oklahoma

#62 Jalen Reagor - WR - TCU

#94 - Ben Bartch - OT - Saint John's

I would be ecstatic with the 1st 2 picks. Would even be willing to trade up a bit for Murray. Don't know anything about Bartch at this point.

Bretsky - Lamb is the 4th pick.

Interesting draft, Bartch is a division 3 kid from St. John's in Minnesota. He did a nice job at the senior bowl and has went from feel good story about a small school kid maybe getting a chance at the NFL to jumping up draft boards. He is probably a top 10 tackle prospect going into the combine.

I have been hearing talks of Reagor being the 4th receiver taken in the 2020 draft. The top three are solidified but there is a bunch of discussion on who is the next best. Reagor, Shenault, Jefferson, Hamler, Higgins, and Aiyuk have all been mentioned as the next best.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

With Rodgers and time running out there is urgency to get the real deal for receivers.

SERIOUS QUESTION

What type of value do you think we could get for Rashan Gary in a trade ? I know it would never happen because GM's dont want to eat crow this early, but could you package pick 30 and Gary to get up to 10 ?

30 + Gary for OBJ would be awesome.

[run pMc]

30 + Gary for OBJ would be awesome.

I'd rather have Myles Garrett but if it had to be OBJ I'd ask CLE to throw in some extra kicking nets too.

[wist43]

30 + Gary for OBJ would be awesome.

No way in hell would I do that.

Cleveland would jump at that trade.

[pbmax]

I agree with you, and then I see poor Josh Rosen with his clipboard and baseball cap, who in two years is going to have a team give up on him and draft a QB within the top 5 picks of the draft.


The Packers with Wolf did draft Fred Vinson, and trade him the next season for Ahman Green, but I don't think that had anything to do with them giving up on the defensive back, they just really needed a running back. The Packers traded a second pick for a 3rd round pick. The Packers were also in reasonable shape at corner because Vinson was the 2nd out of three cornerbacks drafted by Wolf in the 1999 draft. Mike McKenzie who was drafted in the third round was already a starter and the first pick Antwan Edwards was bit of a disappointment but worked himself on to the field as a nickel and then a safety. Vinson after the trade submarined his career as he ended up shredding his knee in a pick up basketball game.

Holmgren was a noted fan of not fumbling and therefore, wasn't too fond of Ahman in his younger days.

[Bretsky]

No. Teams don't normally trade guys they just drafted. The moment you announce Gary is available for trade, you are basically admitting he is a disapppintment. That automatically reduces his trade value. Better to hang onto him and hope he develops.

I would play devil's advocate on your point (although you are probably right) and suggest throwing him in a deal does not automatically admit he's a disappointment. However, I think after a team thoroughly scouts how much he contributed, and was used, that is the conclusion they will come to. And you are right about reducing his trade value; nobody would retake him at pick 12 if we had a do over so I was just curious if he might have some value in moving up along with our 1st. Just my pondering thoughts

[Bretsky]

Lay off the pain killers

You don't get any trophies for not taking the Vike

[pbmax]

Oates says its all about speed. Except for Adams and Jones.

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/tom-oates-fleet-feet-needed-for-packers-to-reach-next/article_9ee81b27-b96d-544c-b4f7-39339f5182f1.html

Speed is good. Production is better.

And Tom doesn't wrestle with the big receiver plan that Gutekunst had last year. Someone should ask him about it.

[mraynrand]

MVS has speed, but as Harvey indicated again and again, his hands (catch point) are awful. We saw that perfectly clearly on the bomb in the Bears game. And the Chiefs two longest pass completions were blown coverages.

Whether it is Encyclopedia St. Brown, Stromberg, Lazard, or another veteran FA WR, what the Packers need is another reliable target or two or three for Rodgers to connect with, in the Flower offense. Sure a guy with 4.2 speed would certainly be nice. And I'd like a new ferrari delivered to my driveway tomorrow also, as long as we're dreaming.

[Zool]

They would need to trade pretty much their whole draft to move up that high, unless the trade also involved a pretty good player. What's this fascination people have with trading up to get the top WR in the draft? How many Super Bowl rings does Randy Moss have? Or Larry Fitzgerald? Or A.J. Green? Or Julio Jones? This team already has Davante Adams. They don't need somebody better than Adams. They need someone to complement Adams. This draft is full of guys like that.

1, 0, 0 for the SBs.

Culpepper, Oakland, Brady for Moss
Fitzgerald had 2 years of a HOF QB and made a SB
Green had Dalton his whole career

If you can get a HOF WR, you go get him. Unless it's Ditka level dumb. If it's next year's 1st and this year's 1st, and you feel 100% confident he's a stud, you go get him IMO.