Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[RashanGary]

Murray looks slow to me. Good in college. Think that speed lack will be exposed in the NFL.

[RashanGary]

Mike Renner @PFF_Mike
How I'd rank the relative strength of each position group in the 2020 draft class:

1. WR
2. OT
3. CB
4. DT
5. QB
6. RB
7. IOL
8. LB
9. Edge
10. S
11. TE

IF THIS GUY IS EVEN CLOSE TO CORRECT, NOT A BAD YEAR FOR PACKERS TO DRAFT.

Even though DT is a relatively strong position group this year, really wish we woulda got Jeffrey Simmons last year. Best DT in the draft and a top 3 talent in almost any draft. Coming of ACL but he showed up for Tennessee when he got on the field. We'd be a completely different defense with Clark AND Simmons inside going into 2020.

Hopefully Gary puts it together in year two and starts shoving guys around like he's capable of doing and then working the speed off that, but damn, Simmons would have given us the best 1/2 DT tandem in football.

[run pMc]

Took a look at Peoples-Jones, he's not bad. He's not a burner, but I could see him as a R2 guy. He's got good size, decent hands, he returned punts and showed some YAC. I could see him as a Deebo-lite.

Looking at these guys via youtube, it's hard to see many of the routes and how good they run them, especially when the CB is playing 6-7 yards off and giving them a free release. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong videos, but for many of these guys there aren't a lot of reps showing them having to beat press, or showing how sharp their cuts are.

One other thing: Shea Patterson...whoa. That guy is all over the place. Some really good throws, and some WTH throws where DP-J bails him out. If Gute drafts Peoples-Jones at least we know he'll have scramble drill experience.

[Bretsky]

Even though DT is a relatively strong position group this year, really wish we woulda got Jeffrey Simmons last year. Best DT in the draft and a top 3 talent in almost any draft. Coming of ACL but he showed up for Tennessee when he got on the field. We'd be a completely different defense with Clark AND Simmons inside going into 2020.

Hopefully Gary puts it together in year two and starts shoving guys around like he's capable of doing and then working the speed off that, but damn, Simmons would have given us the best 1/2 DT tandem in football.

AMEN

[run pMc]

Even though DT is a relatively strong position group this year, really wish we woulda got Jeffrey Simmons last year. Best DT in the draft and a top 3 talent in almost any draft. Coming of ACL but he showed up for Tennessee when he got on the field. We'd be a completely different defense with Clark AND Simmons inside going into 2020.

Hopefully Gary puts it together in year two and starts shoving guys around like he's capable of doing and then working the speed off that, but damn, Simmons would have given us the best 1/2 DT tandem in football.

Many thought Simmons would've been a top 5 pick last year if not for the ACL. He surprised many (including TEN) by being ready and playing week 7. I think he'll be a cornerstone for them - he'd be a nice pairing with Clark.
FWIW, there was some talk on the Interwebz he might last until the GB pick at 30 last year but he was gone before they traded up to 21 for Savage.

[RashanGary]

Bretsky, I watched film on Simmons and the Williams guy who went top 3 and Simmons clearly had a better anchor, better knock back and was so consistent. That ACL made him a gift for a mid round 1 team.

[RashanGary]

I like that Murray is built like a linebacker. And he seems to play faster because he doesn't seem to be jittering around taking false steps. There have been a lot of great NFL linebackers that play faster than they time. Murray seems more sure of himself than White last year but Bush seemed to have a quick triggger shd was so much faster than Murray. Bush ran a 4.4 and played like it. Murray looks 4.7 to me.

[RashanGary]

WR, CB and OT are deep this year or so they say. I imagine a stud will slip through the cracks and fall to 30 at one of those positions. I'd rather a young borderline probowl type OT than a reach at ILB. I just don't get excited about these guys like I did with Bush last year

[pbmax]

Why does anyone think Murray will last until the Packers pick?

I'm just playing Mike Pettine here on the board, with my shopping list.

If you want draft strategy, you need Bretsky or Harv. Or Tank, if you want to travel back in time to the 2005 draft.

[pbmax]

Because most believe there will be a run on QBs and OTs and probably 3 WRs taken before them in R1. There are defensive players at premium positions (Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Jeff Okudah, etc.) that will go early too, and even safeties like McKinney and Delpit.
Basically it depends on how you have your board and players ranked. Recent top 10 or top 15 ILBs have had to have special traits (Smith, Edmunds, White, Bush) and pre-combine/pro day I'm not sure they've sussed them out.
Right now it looks like Simmons will go early and Murray/Queen later in R1, if you believe the current draftniks' boards. I suppose it's possible all three could be gone by, say, pick 20, but I think at least one of Murray/Queen will be there at 30. If not, that likely means there's a good OT or WR left on the board, i.e., a BPA that fills an area of need. Even if they are there, I'm not 100% convinced Gute takes them over an OT if there's a good one there.

I will say that he's attacked areas of weakness pretty comprehensively (CB with Alexander, Jackson, Tramon; OLB with Smiths + Gary, S w/ Amos + Savage) so I'd expect him to go after ILBs and WRs pretty heavily. Based on his end of season comments I don't think he believes the problem is with the DL.

I vote no on doubling up this year. If BPA demands it and that is what the board is giving you, move.

[pbmax]

If you dig up the guys tape on You Tube, post it here. I'm too lazy to go searching for everyone.

And beggars can't be choosers, but I think the tape of all game snaps are better than highlights, if that's an option.

[Joemailman]

Why does anyone think Murray will last until the Packers pick?

Why not? Last year only 2 ILB's were drafted in the 1st round. It could happen.

[mraynrand]

Why not? .

Just asking those in the know - might there be 3-4 other teams that like him before the Packers have a shot. Should they trade up? I don’t know.

[call_me_ishmael]

Nutzy do you think James Jones is a good comparison for Quintez? Minus the whole rapey thing. Similar body types I think but I have seen little of Cephus and it's hard to tell in UW offense anyway.

My stance is just take the best player available and figure it out. Ideally the best player in something where it's hard to find value lower in the draft generally such as a big body. Inevitably every starting spot is going to turn over in the next few years so you might as well get a star where you can.

[Bretsky]

Nutzy do you think James Jones is a good comparison for Quintez? Minus the whole rapey thing. Similar body types I think but I have seen little of Cephus and it's hard to tell in UW offense anyway.

My stance is just take the best player available and figure it out. Ideally the best player in something where it's hard to find value lower in the draft generally such as a big body. Inevitably every starting spot is going to turn over in the next few years so you might as well get a star where you can.

James Jones was a great guy, but his patterns where not that great. He was not Greg Jennings, who was really an elite route runner IMO. Cephus runs better routes than Jones IMO.

Personally Jones is not a guy I'd really be comparing him with