Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[wthigoot]

I vote no on doubling up this year. If BPA demands it and that is what the board is giving you, move.

Agreed in early rounds, but OK to double up with some of the 6ths and 7ths. Gutey has the Ted mojo with 5 late picks.

- Talented guys with character questions
- One trick ponies with the one trick that is useful (punt returner, gunner, etc.)
- Small college longshots
- Some random guys with a measureable or two

Who might those be?

Last mock, I just picked these guys at random, more for position than anything else:
6- Logan Sternberg, OG, 6-6, 322, Kentucky
6- Javaris Davis, CB, 5-10, 180, Auburn
7- Myles Dorn, S, 6-2, 205, North Carolina
7- Jacob Knipp, QB, 6-4, 218, Northern Colorado
7- Ke'Shawn Vaughn, RB, 5-10, 218, Vanderbilt

Anyone researched the late picks?

Didn't check the video thread yet, maybe there are some there.

[run pMc]

Agreed in early rounds

Yeah, I don't know about taking two players at same position in R1 & 2. I'm thinking more of Gute taking a WR in R2 and then another in R5. FA is going to drive some of this.

[pbmax]

Just asking those in the know - might there be 3-4 other teams that like him before the Packers have a shot. Should they trade up? I don’t know.

So in addition to bugging the Bears headquarters, Packers need to tie up Steeler phone lines so they can't trade back into the first.

[Deputy Nutz]

Murray looks slow to me. Good in college. Think that speed lack will be exposed in the NFL.

That would be one of the last adjectives I would use to describe him.

[Deputy Nutz]

Nutzy do you think James Jones is a good comparison for Quintez? Minus the whole rapey thing. Similar body types I think but I have seen little of Cephus and it's hard to tell in UW offense anyway.

My stance is just take the best player available and figure it out. Ideally the best player in something where it's hard to find value lower in the draft generally such as a big body. Inevitably every starting spot is going to turn over in the next few years so you might as well get a star where you can.

Jones was not a burning in the NFL but worked downfield to gain separation. He was good at finding holes in the zone. Jones is an easy comparison to guys you don't think are going to run fast but you have hope of a breakout in the NFL.

Here is my college comparison to Cephus

Vs

I recognize Adams went on to beome one of the better current receivers in the NFL, but watching his college film I don't think you would think that he would be considered on the top 5 receivers in the current NFL

[theeaterofshades]

Took trades that were offered to me based on where the board fell. At 30, both Murray and Queen were gone, so traded back.

41: R2P9
WR BRANDON AIYUK
ARIZONA STATE
62: R2P30
WR JALEN REAGOR
TCU
74: R3P10
LB MALIK HARRISON
OHIO STATE
90: R3P26
C MATT HENNESSY
TEMPLE
99: R3P35
TE HARRISON BRYANT
FLORIDA ATLANTIC
112: R4P9
DL BRAVVION ROY
BAYLOR
122: R4P19
LB EVAN WEAVER
CALIFORNIA
133: R4P30
G SOLOMON KINDLEY
GEORGIA
175: R5P29
OT JACK DRISCOLL
AUBURN
192: R6P13
TE COLBY PARKINSON
STANFORD
209: R6P30
DL BENITO JONES
MISSISSIPPI
224: R7P10
LB MARKUS BAILEY
PURDUE
242: R7P28
RB LEVANTE BELLAMY
WESTERN MICHIGAN
243: R7P29
S ALOHI GILMAN
NOTRE DAME

[Smidgeon]

Jones was not a burning in the NFL but worked downfield to gain separation. He was good at finding holes in the zone. Jones is an easy comparison to guys you don't think are going to run fast but you have hope of a breakout in the NFL.

Here is my college comparison to Cephus

Vs

I recognize Adams went on to beome one of the better current receivers in the NFL, but watching his college film I don't think you would think that he would be considered on the top 5 receivers in the current NFL

That clip of Adams still showed more use of route running to create separation than I usually see from college WRs. Maybe it's because I've grown to be aware of it in Adams' game now, so I can see its roots in college.

The things that stood out from that of Adams were the aforementioned examples of routes creating separation and his ability to catch while getting hit. I don't know in which order I'd rank "suitable WR skills that are also important in the NFL", but those two, agility, speed, and consistency seem to be roughly the Top 5.

[theeaterofshades]

Took trades that were offered to me based on where the board fell. At 30, both Murray and Queen were gone, so traded back.

41: R2P9
WR BRANDON AIYUK
ARIZONA STATE
62: R2P30
WR JALEN REAGOR
TCU
74: R3P10
LB MALIK HARRISON
OHIO STATE
90: R3P26
C MATT HENNESSY
TEMPLE
99: R3P35
TE HARRISON BRYANT
FLORIDA ATLANTIC
112: R4P9
DL BRAVVION ROY
BAYLOR
122: R4P19
LB EVAN WEAVER
CALIFORNIA
133: R4P30
G SOLOMON KINDLEY
GEORGIA
175: R5P29
OT JACK DRISCOLL
AUBURN
192: R6P13
TE COLBY PARKINSON
STANFORD
209: R6P30
DL BENITO JONES
MISSISSIPPI
224: R7P10
LB MARKUS BAILEY
PURDUE
242: R7P28
RB LEVANTE BELLAMY
WESTERN MICHIGAN
243: R7P29
S ALOHI GILMAN
NOTRE DAME


Ran another with more agressive trading:
10: R1P10
LB ISAIAH SIMMONS
CLEMSON
58: R2P26
WR JAUAN JENNINGS
TENNESSEE
65: R3P1
WR JALEN REAGOR
TCU
89: R3P25
C MATT HENNESSY
TEMPLE
94: R3P30
OT HAKEEM ADENIJI
KANSAS
113: R4P10
DL BRAVVION ROY
BAYLOR
133: R4P30
TE BRYCEN HOPKINS
PURDUE
147: R5P1
WR ANTONIO GANDY-GOLDEN
LIBERTY
165: R5P19
OT CALVIN THROCKMORTON
OREGON
175: R5P29
S JOHN REID
PENN STATE
180: R6P1
TE COLBY PARKINSON
STANFORD
192: R6P13
G STEVEN GONZALEZ
PENN STATE
209: R6P30
DL BENITO JONES
MISSISSIPPI
224: R7P10
CB MICHAEL OJEMUDIA
IOWA
242: R7P28
QB STEVEN MONTEZ
COLORADO
243: R7P29
RB LEVANTE BELLAMY
WESTERN MICHIGAN
TEAM DRAFT ASSESSMENT

TRADES
TRADE PARTNER:
CLEVELAND BROWNS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 30
FUTURE ROUND 1 PICK
ROUND: 2 PICK: 30
RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 10
ROUND: 2 PICK: 9
TRADE PARTNER:
MINNESOTA VIKINGS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 9
RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 26
ROUND: 3 PICK: 25
ROUND: 4 PICK: 26
TRADE PARTNER:
CINCINNATI BENGALS
SENT:
FUTURE ROUND 2 PICK
ROUND: 4 PICK: 26
RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 1
ROUND: 4 PICK: 1
ROUND: 5 PICK: 1
ROUND: 6 PICK: 1
TRADE PARTNER:
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
SENT:
ROUND: 4 PICK: 1
RECEIVED:
ROUND: 4 PICK: 10
ROUND: 5 PICK: 19

or

18: R1P18
LB PATRICK QUEEN
LSU
46: R2P14
DL JUSTIN MADUBUIKE
TEXAS A&M
70: R3P6
WR JALEN REAGOR
TCU
72: R3P8
DL RAEKWON DAVIS
ALABAMA
77: R3P13
TE HARRISON BRYANT
FLORIDA ATLANTIC
99: R3P35
LB LOGAN WILSON
WYOMING
122: R4P19
WR QUINTEZ CEPHUS
WISCONSIN
151: R5P5
WR ANTONIO GANDY-GOLDEN
LIBERTY
175: R5P29
OT CALVIN THROCKMORTON
OREGON
186: R6P7
S GENO STONE
IOWA
192: R6P13
CB A.J. GREEN
OKLAHOMA STATE
209: R6P30
DL JOSIAH COATNEY
MISSISSIPPI
224: R7P10
LB MICHAEL PINCKNEY
MIAMI
242: R7P28
G TREVOUR WALLACE-SIMMS
MISSOURI
243: R7P29
RB LEVANTE BELLAMY
WESTERN MICHIGAN

TRADES
TRADE PARTNER:
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
SENT:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 30
RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 35
ROUND: 4 PICK: 19
TRADE PARTNER:
DENVER BRONCOS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 8
RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 14
ROUND: 3 PICK: 13
TRADE PARTNER:
MIAMI DOLPHINS
SENT:
FUTURE ROUND 1 PICK
ROUND: 2 PICK: 30
RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 18
ROUND: 3 PICK: 6
TRADE PARTNER:
LA CHARGERS
SENT:
ROUND: 4 PICK: 30
RECEIVED:
ROUND: 5 PICK: 5
ROUND: 6 PICK: 7
TRADE PARTNER:
ARIZONA CARDINALS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 30
RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 8
ROUND: 3 PICK: 8

[Deputy Nutz]

That clip of Adams still showed more use of route running to create separation than I usually see from college WRs. Maybe it's because I've grown to be aware of it in Adams' game now, so I can see its roots in college.

The things that stood out from that of Adams were the aforementioned examples of routes creating separation and his ability to catch while getting hit. I don't know in which order I'd rank "suitable WR skills that are also important in the NFL", but those two, agility, speed, and consistency seem to be roughly the Top 5.

I can't tell by your description of the above video if you watched it or not, because it showed a lack of a route tree run by Adams. He ran comebacks, goes, bubbles, and some slants. That's pretty simplified.

[run pMc]

I can't tell by your description of the above video if you watched it or not, because it showed a lack of a route tree run by Adams. He ran comebacks, goes, bubbles, and some slants. That's pretty simplified.

The clip showed him making sharp cuts on a couple of slants and on one play beat press coverage with some of his now trademark footwork...he was a little sloppy on some routes but you could see the potential. I'm not sure I'd put Cephus quite in his class, but I am warming up to him a little.
I just think the legal stuff and being down the road in Madison will make him less of a consideration for GB, or maybe that's just me expecting Gute to be like TT.

Bryan Edwards is kind of interesting guy...still trying to sort out if he's a physical freak who out-athleted on the CFB level or a week 8 NFL starter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxweBPnqCm4

[Smidgeon]

I can't tell by your description of the above video if you watched it or not, because it showed a lack of a route tree run by Adams. He ran comebacks, goes, bubbles, and some slants. That's pretty simplified.

I can't speak to the route tree, I'm not nuanced enough to notice things like that. I was referring to what run pMc identified, a couple sudden sharp cuts that I don't usually notice in other videos. In most videos, you see WRs outrunning the defense or making tough catches. I don't notice many of them creating sudden separation. But like I said before, I've gotten used to it from Adams in the NFL, so I was probably noticing it in that clip because I see him do it now.

[run pMc]

I'm not sure what people see in Jordyn Brooks, ILB for Texas Tech
vs. Baylor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXu-gViUyIw
vs. OU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QabOT3sQaq8

He's not fast, they either spy him or have him rush vs. cover, and he's not a TFL machine either. Maybe it's the defensive scheme, but I'm not seeing much to like over what GB had last year. He just didn't do much to stand out, and after a while I had to fight not to watch other players.
Am I missing something?

[Deputy Nutz]

I'm not sure what people see in Jordyn Brooks, ILB for Texas Tech
vs. Baylor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXu-gViUyIw
vs. OU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QabOT3sQaq8

He's not fast, they either spy him or have him rush vs. cover, and he's not a TFL machine either. Maybe it's the defensive scheme, but I'm not seeing much to like over what GB had last year. He just didn't do much to stand out, and after a while I had to fight not to watch other players.
Am I missing something?

Not really

[Bretsky]

The clip showed him making sharp cuts on a couple of slants and on one play beat press coverage with some of his now trademark footwork...he was a little sloppy on some routes but you could see the potential. I'm not sure I'd put Cephus quite in his class, but I am warming up to him a little.
I just think the legal stuff and being down the road in Madison will make him less of a consideration for GB, or maybe that's just me expecting Gute to be like TT.

Bryan Edwards is kind of interesting guy...still trying to sort out if he's a physical freak who out-athleted on the CFB level or a week 8 NFL starter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxweBPnqCm4

I would agree that TT was borderline incompetent when doing his due diligence about which WI Badgers had the edge and which did not. If Gooter does the anti TT thing and does his due diligence I think he may be able to get a value in Cephus while others may shy away. Keep watching film of him and Badger games. If Coan was a better QB his stats would have blown up last year. I'm not sure if I'd put Cephus in Adams class either; but he's very very talented.

[run pMc]

That would be one of the last adjectives I would use to describe him.

Agree
vs. TX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dGJqa7OSQw
vs. Baylor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLd4H4glLec

He's certainly better than Jordyn Brooks. He's got sideline to sideline speed and based on how quickly he chased down these QBs I'd say he's quick enough to chase down Russell Wilson. He's easily faster than Blake Martinez. He has some warts -- he's just a tiny click slow to diagnose sometimes -- but he's a late R1/early R2 prospect unless he tears up the combine (which is possible -- I could see him running a 4.5 40 or better). I'm not sold on his coverage ability, but he certainly has the athletic traits where he could be taught some better technique to stick with TEs and RBs down the MOF.