Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[Bretsky]

I mock draftabled the probowl linebackers to see if there are athletic commonalities

Leonard ran an unofficial average 4.70 40 yard dash. He has freakly length. Didn't test otherwise.

Hightower is huge and fast. Didn't test otherwise.

Edmunds is big, freaky long and fast

Wagner has some average size, length and agility but is freaky fast and explosive

Kuekly has average size but near elite athleticism in every other way measurable

Kendricks smallish but elite speed and explosiveness


You have some smallish guys who are very fast in Kendricks, Kuekly and Wagner

You have a couple big fast guys in Hightower and Edmunds

And Leonard didn't really test but has elite length


Size/Speed definitely seems to be a trend. Either very, very fast and explosive like Kendricks, Kuechly and Wagner or Really big but pretty darn fast too.

Leonard is the outlier. Assuming that 4.7 stands, hes the only average speed guy whos not overly big. His only redeeming measured quality was those long arms to keep blockers off of him. But again, he didn't really test so we don't know what he is.



My conclusion is that in the NFL today, at LB, physically you want either elite speed athleticism at 230-240lb range or elite size/speed.


At a glance, Queen looks like the only guy who fits the probowl mold.

GREAT POST and analysis

[RashanGary]

You want your smaller guys to run 4.6 or better

Length and size allows for some give on speed but still 4.7 or faster.

[RashanGary]

Queen looks kind of like a Kendricks clone to me. Smaller but fast enough to be fast and explosive. Just on the fringe of probowl physical traits. Perfect for the 30th pick.


Murray isnt big enough to run the 4.7 that he clearly runs. He's in the Martinez mold. A good #2.

[GB-Brandon]

I mock draftabled the probowl linebackers to see if there are athletic commonalities

Leonard ran an unofficial average 4.70 40 yard dash. He has freakly length. Didn't test otherwise.

Hightower is huge and fast. Didn't test otherwise.

Edmunds is big, freaky long and fast

Wagner has some average size, length and agility but is freaky fast and explosive

Kuekly has average size but near elite athleticism in every other way measurable

Kendricks smallish but elite speed and explosiveness


You have some smallish guys who are very fast in Kendricks, Kuekly and Wagner

You have a couple big fast guys in Hightower and Edmunds

And Leonard didn't really test but has elite length


Size/Speed definitely seems to be a trend. Either very, very fast and explosive like Kendricks, Kuechly and Wagner or Really big but pretty darn fast too.

Leonard is the outlier. Assuming that 4.7 stands, hes the only average speed guy whos not overly big. His only redeeming measured quality was those long arms to keep blockers off of him. But again, he didn't really test so we don't know what he is.



My conclusion is that in the NFL today, at LB, physically you want either elite speed athleticism at 230-240lb range or elite size/speed.


At a glance, Queen looks like the only guy who fits the probowl mold. Sort of in the Keukly/Wagner/Kendricks mold.

The “Glance” will be bigger come the combine. A lot of people are high on Queen here but i have some basic concerns.

Queen is 6’1 and listed at 227 pounds. Wagner is 6’0 240, Kuechly was 6’3 235. So Kendrick’s appears to be the the only comp of players you compared and the Vikings run a 4-3. To me Queen is a 4-3 weak side LB. i am not sure he would be able to hold up in Pettine’s scheme or have the “finishing power” for that matter.

Nice prospect but to me it’s putting a square peg into a round hole.

[pbmax]

I mock draftabled the probowl linebackers to see if there are athletic commonalities

Leonard ran an unofficial average 4.70 40 yard dash. He has freakly length. Didn't test otherwise.

Hightower is huge and fast. Didn't test otherwise.

Edmunds is big, freaky long and fast

Wagner has some average size, length and agility but is freaky fast and explosive

Kuekly has average size but near elite athleticism in every other way measurable

Kendricks smallish but elite speed and explosiveness


You have some smallish guys who are very fast in Kendricks, Kuekly and Wagner

You have a couple big fast guys in Hightower and Edmunds

And Leonard didn't really test but has elite length


Size/Speed definitely seems to be a trend. Either very, very fast and explosive like Kendricks, Kuechly and Wagner or Really big but pretty darn fast too.

Leonard is the outlier. Assuming that 4.7 stands, hes the only average speed guy whos not overly big. His only redeeming measured quality was those long arms to keep blockers off of him. But again, he didn't really test so we don't know what he is.



My conclusion is that in the NFL today, at LB, physically you want either elite speed athleticism at 230-240lb range or elite size/speed.


At a glance, Queen looks like the only guy who fits the probowl mold. Sort of in the Keukly/Wagner/Kendricks mold.

Bet you dollars to donuts that Harv has those numbers in a spreadsheet.

[RashanGary]

Good point on the 3-4 vs 4-3 qualities Brandon. We probably need the hightower/Edmunds type. Size, instincts to sort through traffic AND straight speed to cover ground.

Dig around, but might not be our year.

[GB-Brandon]

Good point on the 3-4 vs 4-3 qualities Brandon. We probably need the hightower/Edmunds type. Size, instincts to sort through traffic AND straight speed to cover ground.

Dig around, but might not be our year.

Yes, Pettine likes to play light up front with only two guys having hand in dirt most of the time. Also, there is a lot of looks with only one ILB on the field. When he was with the Jets he pushed hard for them to draft Demario Davis. That is the type of ILB he desires in his scheme. Someone who has some size with enough speed to get to the sideline that can play in space.

With that said we need a bigger ILB that can hold up against the run and isn't a complete liability in the passing game.

This is why I keep going back to Jordyn Brooks. He is listed at 245 but will probably run at combine at 240. If he runs under 4.7 I expect him to be the Packers target.

Queen would be a nice piece but basically gives us a bigger version of Raven Greene which would be more of a luxury pick IMO.

[mraynrand]

Yes, Pettine likes to play light up front with only two guys having hand in dirt most of the time. Also, there is a lot of looks with only one ILB on the field. When he was with the Jets he pushed hard for them to draft Demario Davis.

that's a deep dive. nice.

This is why I keep going back to Jordyn Brooks. He is listed at 245 but will probably run at combine at 240. If he runs under 4.7 I expect him to be the Packers target.

But then his value goes up and he might get nabbed before the Packers draft in the second. Have to move to get him? Worth it?

[GB-Brandon]

My Pre-Combine Mock through 4 rounds is

1- Raekwon Davis DL, ALabama > Dean Lowry

2- Jordyn Brooks- ILB, Texas Tech > Ty Summers, Oren Burks

3. Quintez Cephus WR, Wisconsin > Lazzard, MVS, G-Mo, Kummerow

4. Jared Hilbers RT, Washington > Alex Light

We need to be aggressive in free agency and add a WR like AJ Green or Paul Richardson to make this work. Possibly add a TE too. I am not sure getting Corey Littleton is realistic considering the $. We could probably add a mid-level FA DE like Quinton Jefferson(Seahawks). We are stuck with Lowry but Lancaster needs to go bye bye.

I hate having to use more premium picks on the defense while passing up chances to get explosive players on offense but were kind of at the point of no return with the direction and vision that has been orchestrated. The niner's experience still hurts and ultimately were gonna see that team again at some point. Pettine has shown complete stubbornnes in regards to his scheme and has been retained after the Niners debacle so I see a move coming to round out the defense with the necessary talent.

[GB-Brandon]

that's a deep dive. nice.




But then his value goes up and he might get nabbed before the Packers draft in the second. Have to move to get him? Worth it?

They "Loved Savage" and maneuvered to get him. If "They Love Brooks" anything is possible.

[RashanGary]

I'll watch Jordyn Brooks next

[RashanGary]

I watched a half against oklahoma. Martinez is faster and Martinez isn't fast enough. Brooks size is his only redeeming quality. Gets out run regularly, misses tackles, doesn't play to his size.

I'm really not a fan. This just might not be our year.

Martinez keeps looking better and better

[RashanGary]

Bad year for ILBs. Just bad

[Deputy Nutz]

The “Glance” will be bigger come the combine. A lot of people are high on Queen here but i have some basic concerns.

Queen is 6’1 and listed at 227 pounds. Wagner is 6’0 240, Kuechly was 6’3 235. So Kendrick’s appears to be the the only comp of players you compared and the Vikings run a 4-3. To me Queen is a 4-3 weak side LB. i am not sure he would be able to hold up in Pettine’s scheme or have the “finishing power” for that matter.

Nice prospect but to me it’s putting a square peg into a round hole.

Devin Bush was drafted by the Steelers. They run a very similar scheme.

[GB-Brandon]

[QUOTE=RashanGary;1049321]I watched a half against oklahoma. Martinez is faster and Martinez isn't fast enough. Brooks size is his only redeeming quality. Gets out run regularly, misses tackles, doesn't play to his size.

I'm really not a fan. This just might not be our year.

Martinez keeps looking better and better[/QUOTE]


Martinez isn't better. Go watch the Niner playoff tape again, He was a total fail in that game.