Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[Bretsky]

My Pre-Combine Mock through 4 rounds is

1- Raekwon Davis DL, ALabama > Dean Lowry

2- Jordyn Brooks- ILB, Texas Tech > Ty Summers, Oren Burks

3. Quintez Cephus WR, Wisconsin > Lazzard, MVS, G-Mo, Kummerow

4. Jared Hilbers RT, Washington > Alex Light

We need to be aggressive in free agency and add a WR like AJ Green or Paul Richardson to make this work. Possibly add a TE too. I am not sure getting Corey Littleton is realistic considering the $. We could probably add a mid-level FA DE like Quinton Jefferson(Seahawks). We are stuck with Lowry but Lancaster needs to go bye bye.

I hate having to use more premium picks on the defense while passing up chances to get explosive players on offense but were kind of at the point of no return with the direction and vision that has been orchestrated. The niner's experience still hurts and ultimately were gonna see that team again at some point. Pettine has shown complete stubbornnes in regards to his scheme and has been retained after the Niners debacle so I see a move coming to round out the defense with the necessary talent.

I WOULD TAKE THOSE FOUR PICKS !!!!!!!!!

TE's to Target in Free Agency

1. Hunter Henry- Maybe not realistic. He's one of the best in the game when healthy but he's been injured a lot

2. Eric Ebron- I think he's shown he can play and is a way better receiving TE than F'kn Jimmy

OTHER ILB's to Target

1. Joe Schobert
Over the last three years, Schobert has been a constant in the Browns defensive starting lineup, a one-time Pro Bowl selection and a snub for a selection this past season. The 2017 Pro Bowler had 133 tackles this past season -- 89 of them the solo variety -- to go with nine passes defended, four interceptions, two sacks, seven tackles for loss and two forced fumbles.

He'll hit free agency on March 18 unless something gets done beforehand.

[GB-Brandon]

Devin Bush was drafted by the Steelers. They run a very similar scheme.

Yes, but I am not gonna put Queen in the Devin Bush category. Roquan Smith would be another example for the Bears.

Too me Queen is a huge reach in 1st round. Your basically getting a weak side coverage LB that is undersized. I could see him being "great value" for a team like the Seattle Seahawks that play base 4-3 most of the time and need LB's that can cover..

When studying Jordyn Brooks I am projecting him to the NFL game. His talents and ability's project well to NFL, He mostly faced "spread offenses" in college and the NFL game is different for the most part. His attributes I feel would fit well with what we already have plus adding another beast at DE.

Otherwise get prepared to get ran off the field again by those Niners.

[run pMc]

The SF playoff game was a mess all over -- the Smiths didn't set a good enough edge, the DL got washed out of the gaps (or didn't play disciplined) and -- lastly -- Martinez either couldn't make it to the sideline in time, or he got out-athleted in the gap.

I know some like Jordyn Brooks but I didn't see much in the games I watched that makes him an upgrade from Martinez, who was a 2016 R4 pick. They need the DL to keep a faster, more athletic LB clean on early downs, and they need that LB to be fast enough to get to the sideline on the outside zone plays, AND drop into coverage to protect the MOF -- something Blake struggled to do. He's decent, but he's not fluid or quick enough. I'm not convinced Brooks is either, to me he's more of a thumper with some explosion. I think Mostert will burn past him around the corner every time, and he won't be able to carry Kyle Rudolph up the seam. Now if you paired him with a speedy LB then you'd have something, but pairing him with Ibraheim Campbell is not exciting to me. If it's a choice between Brooks and a WR like Reagor in R2, I'm going with the WR.

I don't think they have the $ to chase Littleton, who I do like.
I don't think they need to trade up for a thumper ILB in the draft either. You can find those guys for vet minimum (Goodson) or on Day 3. If anything, I could see them replacing M.Adams and Lancaster with Keke and a DL pick in the 1st 3 rounds to help Kenny, the run D, and the the ILBs.

I'm confident Gute will give Ty Summers (who ran a 4.51 but doesn't play that fast) and Curtis Bolton a shot in camp, and I think he knows he'll need a lot more talent than that.

[RashanGary]

The longer we talk about this, the more disappointed I am that we didn't draft Jeffrey Simmons last year. Him, Clark and whoever you put alongside the beasts would be a real fix for the run game.

P and Z need to buckle down and play the run with the passion they rush the passer. Gary needs to evolve into an edge setting beast who collapses the pocket with knockback at the very least.

Gute put his money and draft picks in his guys. We're out of money and have low draft picks. Next year is about Gutes guys playing better against the run. Period. This draft offers no magical (right now) fixes at pick 30

[RashanGary]

Bretsky, could the Badger, Baun, play ILB? He looks fast and has a big frame to fill out

[GB-Brandon]

The SF playoff game was a mess all over -- the Smiths didn't set a good enough edge, the DL got washed out of the gaps (or didn't play disciplined) and -- lastly -- Martinez either couldn't make it to the sideline in time, or he got out-athleted in the gap.

I know some like Jordyn Brooks but I didn't see much in the games I watched that makes him an upgrade from Martinez, who was a 2016 R4 pick. They need the DL to keep a faster, more athletic LB clean on early downs, and they need that LB to be fast enough to get to the sideline on the outside zone plays, AND drop into coverage to protect the MOF -- something Blake struggled to do. He's decent, but he's not fluid or quick enough. I'm not convinced Brooks is either, to me he's more of a thumper with some explosion. I think Mostert will burn past him around the corner every time, and he won't be able to carry Kyle Rudolph up the seam. Now if you paired him with a speedy LB then you'd have something, but pairing him with Ibraheim Campbell is not exciting to me. If it's a choice between Brooks and a WR like Reagor in R2, I'm going with the WR.

I don't think they have the $ to chase Littleton, who I do like.
I don't think they need to trade up for a thumper ILB in the draft either. You can find those guys for vet minimum (Goodson) or on Day 3. If anything, I could see them replacing M.Adams and Lancaster with Keke and a DL pick in the 1st 3 rounds to help Kenny, the run D, and the the ILBs.

I'm confident Gute will give Ty Summers (who ran a 4.51 but doesn't play that fast) and Curtis Bolton a shot in camp, and I think he knows he'll need a lot more talent than that.

Based on what I saw Summers has a long way to go. I watched him at camp a lot in pre-season and he struggles to play in space so his 4.5 time doesn't impress me all that much. It would be great if he takes a step up but i'm not holding my breath.

[GB-Brandon]

The longer we talk about this, the more disappointed I am that we didn't draft Jeffrey Simmons last year. Him, Clark and whoever you put alongside the beasts would be a real fix for the run game.

P and Z need to buckle down and play the run with the passion they rush the passer. Gary needs to evolve into an edge setting beast who collapses the pocket with knockback at the very least.

Gute put his money and draft picks in his guys. We're out of money and have low draft picks. Next year is about Gutes guys playing better against the run. Period. This draft offers no magical (right now) fixes at pick 30

Simmons would of been great as he is elite talent that can also produce on the field but it's over so here we are.

Raekown Davis isn't quite at the same level as Simmons but he is no slouch either. He is a very good run defending lineman that can get it done in the trenches. He can supply a little push in pass defense and does have elite size and speed. I believe he would be an instant upgrade over "Team Northwestern" with a good chance of being there at 30.

[run pMc]

Agree with you Brandon - I'm not holding my breath on Summers either. I think they have to do something at ILB. Maybe Raekwon will be there and they draft 'em. I'm not expecting an all-offense draft by Gute.

Agree Simmons would've been a nice pick. Pretty sure TEN won't swap him straight up for Gary, so we'll have to hope Rashan puts it together. I'm thinking he will but not until Year 3 or 4 a la Arik Armstead.

[RashanGary]

Simmons would of been great as he is elite talent that can also produce on the field but it's over so here we are.

Raekown Davis isn't quite at the same level as Simmons but he is no slouch either. He is a very good run defending lineman that can get it done in the trenches. He can supply a little push in pass defense and does have elite size and speed. I believe he would be an instant upgrade over "Team Northwestern" with a good chance of being there at 30.

Raekwon looks good. Watched the Auburn game. He was consistent at holding his ground and has a good disengage move that allows him to make tackles. Very consistent. You don't see consistency very often. But he was consistently good against a good Auburn OL, never showed any greatness.

I want to get excited, but damn, pick 30 is a lot less sexy than pick 12

[run pMc]

Quintez Cephus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKjeizhCQ5A

Matt Waldman likes him. LOL at him stiff arming Troy Dye in the Rose Bowl at the 6:55 mark. Starting to like him. If he's that physical and fearless they could play him in the slot too.

Combine will be key for him.

[Bretsky]

The longer we talk about this, the more disappointed I am that we didn't draft Jeffrey Simmons last year. Him, Clark and whoever you put alongside the beasts would be a real fix for the run game.

P and Z need to buckle down and play the run with the passion they rush the passer. Gary needs to evolve into an edge setting beast who collapses the pocket with knockback at the very least.

Gute put his money and draft picks in his guys. We're out of money and have low draft picks. Next year is about Gutes guys playing better against the run. Period. This draft offers no magical (right now) fixes at pick 30

THIS THIS THIS

When all our guys that were great fits came off the board the few picks before us, he was undoubtedly the BPA

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, could the Badger, Baun, play ILB? He looks fast and has a big frame to fill out

I'm not confident he is a fit for a ILB; He's a freak pass rusher. Some Mock drafts lately have going in the 20-30 range. Others have him in round two. But that dude can get to the passer and that is what teams are looking for. I don't think he's played any ILB at all. He's fast enough but it'd be a project to convert him over.

I've mentioned Shcbert before as a possible ILB option that might not break the bank. He's a decent pass defender but very average against the run. But in Pettine's defense that might fit what we are looking for.

[Bretsky]

Quintez Cephus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKjeizhCQ5A

Matt Waldman likes him. LOL at him stiff arming Troy Dye in the Rose Bowl at the 6:55 mark. Starting to like him. If he's that physical and fearless they could play him in the slot too.

Combine will be key for him.

I fell in love with Cephus in the first year he arrived in Madison. I can't recall the last WR from Wisconsin I liked nearly this much.

OK, save the Abbrederis jokes. I really liked him partly because of his story and him maximizing his abilities as a walk on WR who developed the skills to first earn a scholarship and then earn a spot on a NFL Roster. I was all homer on his.

But the last Badger WR I liked as much as Cephus was Chris Chambers, who I persecuted the Packers for passing him up for years in favor of Da Fraud Ferguson.

Cephus has great hands and his teammates love him. He was a leader who surprised the shit out of me when he decided not to transfer to Clemson after the legal proceedings. He runs very good patterns. He wins the jump ball and knows how to position his large frame to put himself in position to make the catch. And he has good end speed and runs away from cornerbacks on long balls. Watch the Badgers games again. You'll add 4-5 touchdowns to his stats last year AND a lot of yards due to the inability of Coan sucking shit at throwing the long ball.

And some of the catches Cephus comes up with were great.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think we can all agree that the depth at inside linebacker for the 2020 draft is not elite. I have seen some really good film on Murray, and some really terrible film from him as well.
Good film = Texas
Bad film = LSU
I have watched the Texas, LSU, Baylor, and his 2018 film against West Virginia. The WV film was terrible
I would draft him with the 30th pick on the Texas film, and I wouldn't draft him 2nd round after watching the LSU game.

Jordyn Brooks is a third round talent, I struggle to see why the Packers would reach on him. Nice player that if he fell to the bottom of round 3 I would be happy to get.

My film review of Patrick Queen has been a little limited, but he hasn't done anything that jumps off at you, nor does he doing anything so terrible that I wouldn't draft him in the first round.

[mraynrand]

I have to admit, I kinda want the Packers to draft Cephus, just to see Harlan's head explode.