Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[Deputy Nutz]

It does not matter what shape Gary reports to camp in, he'll never rise to start at the NFL level. Release him now and perhaps some Arena Football team will take a chance on him.

As an example: In the classic film "The Dirty Dozen" Lee Marvin's character invites the much larger character played by Clint Walker to attack him with a knife. The smaller Marvin handled the larger Walker with ease. Gary may be larger and stronger, but he is just not a good football player. I believe the problem rest between his ears. He can be trained and coached, but it is up to Gary to apply that training. I don't believe that he possesses the brain power to react as quickly as his opponents.

IMO, Gary was a gamble and the Packers lost. GB needs to cut it's liability in Gary and move on.

I am sure you were in the camp of the morons that wanted Devonte Adams cut or traded after his down second year. Even if Gary doesn't pan out you don't cut him after his rookie year. Stop being an idiot, The kid is 22 years old.

[Deputy Nutz]

Most interested in who will be fastest in the combine. Also, who is the strongest.

Take this nonsense to the Combine thread.

[pbmax]

I want to know just exactly who the NFL equivalent of Lee Marvin is in this brilliant metaphor. Is there a 240 pound left tackle?

Doug Dieken

[pbmax]

Communication is about presenting case or position. You have done neither. If that is your picture then you are strange imdeed.

Spending GB's #14 overall pick on Rashan Gary was a waste. Opponents hope he will play as he is a poor football player. It's argued that he is large and strong, but he can't compete at the NFL level. GB needs to cut it's losses on a gamble that did not and will never reap the 1st round player they hoped they were getting. Good thing the two Smiths were acquired in FA.

1. My original post was a joke.

2. No team is going to give up on a first round pick. Too much talent and too cheap a contract. Yes they tend to hang on to them for too long and overvalue them after that, but that is not a Year 1 to 2 problem.

3. Just read about Brian Williams from the Packers, Will LB from 1995 to 2000.

4. Self reflection seems the order of the day.

[Deputy Nutz]

2 guys I like so far are Patrick Queen, LB; and, Antonio Gandy-Golden, WR, Liberty Univ.

I watched the Syracuse game and I have to say I like Gandy-Golden's film almost as much as I like the name. He has great hands, and although he doesn't have much make ya miss qualities he is a big body kid that keeps his legs pumping through contact. He is a load to bring down in the open field. I do have questions about his abilities against good press coverage as even in the Power 5 conferences you don't see NFL level press from corners week in and week out, you are not going to see it with the competition that Liberty faces.

You could burn a 4th round pick on him and look like a complete genius, or if he fails no one will care because it is a 4th round pick.

[smuggler]

My dumbass mock draft I ran today. Would be pretty happy with the outcome, but I suspect the computer is not valuing players correctly. Or maybe the stars align. Who knows.

https://fanspeak.com/ontheclock-nfl-mock-draft-simulator/draft.php?d=tqemeg

30: R1P30 
LB PATRICK QUEEN
LSU
62: R2P30 
WR BRANDON AIYUK
ARIZONA STATE
94: R3P30 
DL RAEKWON DAVIS
ALABAMA
133: R4P30 
WR TYLER JOHNSON
MINNESOTA
175: R5P29 
OT CALVIN THROCKMORTON
OREGON
192: R6P13 
LB JOE BACHIE
MICHIGAN STATE
208: R6P29 
S J.R. REED
GEORGIA
209: R6P30 
RB LAMICAL PERINE
FLORIDA
224: R7P10 
OT YASIR DURANT
MISSOURI
242: R7P28 
CB REGGIE ROBINSON II
TULSA

[RashanGary]

It's cool to see football people here for the last 15 years. Little subtlties like strength of opponent and mindset start coming up a little more and the sureness we all have about what we know starts to go away and is replaced with, maybes.


A subtlty I'm noticing is

I've seen guys with bad college technique evolve into NFL talent like TJ Lang, James Jones and Davante Adams and I've seen Derrek Sherrods. I'm starting to think gamers with bad technique are the guys who do make it more often and guys who keep getting beat with bad technique are the guys who have longer odds... Kind of like a Favre, there's something to be said for finding a way, eh?

[RashanGary]

So with my latest subtly in mind and the 30th pick on our plate, I have my eyes on the high upside big dude and true gamer from Houston, Josh Jones, OT

His knock is technique, but I over look it because he wins every down. Sitton had that quality too

[Deputy Nutz]

So with my latest subtly in mind and the 30th pick on our plate, I have my eyes on the high upside big dude and true gamer from Houston, Josh Jones, OT

His knock is technique, but I over look it because he wins every down. Sitton had that quality too

You have said this for a week now. I would probably take Jones right now with the 30th pick and run like I stole something. If Queen was there you sort of have to take him because of how weak the middle linebacker position is in this draft.

[RashanGary]

You have said this for a week now. I would probably take Jones right now with the 30th pick and run like I stole something. If Queen was there you sort of have to take him because of how weak the middle linebacker position is in this draft.

I think I'd take Jones over Queen just because I think he's a more impressive football player.

There are probowl players picked around the 30th pick and later every year. Its a good spot if you're flexible enough to take the one that drops.

[RashanGary]

Having Jenkins and an OT like Jones frees up money to spend else where too.

[call_me_ishmael]

You have said this for a week now. I would probably take Jones right now with the 30th pick and run like I stole something. If Queen was there you sort of have to take him because of how weak the middle linebacker position is in this draft.

I tend to think though that they can get by with a youngster at MLB if they improve their ends.

I think you gotta go OT high in this draft. Even if you resign Bulaga (which they should).

Personally, I doubt Queen gets out of the top 12. He'll be similar to the dude from Georgia and the dude from LSU last year that went to Tampa.

[smuggler]

Yes, I think with Keuchly retiring Queen makes a lot of sense to the Panthers. And if he gets to them, the Saints would certainly be interested in him.

[Bretsky]

I think I'd take Jones over Queen just because I think he's a more impressive football player.

There are probowl players picked around the 30th pick and later every year. Its a good spot if you're flexible enough to take the one that drops.

If Jones can come in and play RT we could gamble and let Bulaga go and use the money elsewhere

[RashanGary]

If Jones can come in and play RT we could gamble and let Bulaga go and use the money elsewhere

That's kinda what I'm thinking. If the depth is at OT, Wr and Corner this year, the hardest to find is the big guys. Might be best to go there and just use the money on a set of legs on defense. Tt and gute have both said it's harder to find big guys who can plan than legs. So OT seems like the best bet this year's draft.